Bad Idea? Am I A Potential Monster?

RachelNoel
  • #1
So, when I get my tank I will have to go to the pet store for supplies, and I may drift into the betta section. And I might be tempted; I plan on doing a fishless cycle using seachem stability. But does stability make a fish in cycle safe like it claims? It will be a 10 gallon aquarium.
 
Mary765
  • #2
We are all potential monsters but that is besides the point..

The point is that I'm afraid I cannot help you with your question but I wish you the best of luck
 
goldface
  • #3
I never had a problem with a fish in cycle. With a labryinth fish, such as a betta, even less so.
 
RachelNoel
  • Thread Starter
  • #4
We are all potential monsters but that is besides the point..

The point is that I'm afraid I cannot help you with your question but I wish you the best of luck

oh believe me, I know. My first aquarium was a complete disaster (to be fair I wasn't allowed to use the internet) pet store employees can be the worst. Among many other unforgivable things, the dude pushed me into getting bumblebee gobies because I thought that they were cute. Never said anything about the fact that they need brackish water and special food. So those poor guys along with about 8 other poor fish met a very quick monstrous end by my handead:

I never had a problem with a fish in cycle. With a labryinth fish, such as a betta, even less so.
That's what I thought. One labyrinth fish in a 10 gallon with frequent water changes should be fine. I just needed a second opinion.
 
Lunnietic
  • #5
I have no clue if them being labyrinth fish makes them easy to cycle with...

What I can say is, Betas are more hardy and tend to survive cycling. I wouldn't ever recommend doing a fish in cycle because you always have the potential of losing the fish no matter what fish it is.
 
SFGiantsGuy
  • #6
Indeed Bettas ARE very resilient and super hardy and tough..because they're Bettas eh? The most powerful, major biologically manipulating altering chemicals should be used as a last resort, IMO/IME......but hey...that's just me.

And well...unfortunately, most box lfs's supply of bettas are already subjected to a rather upsetting practice and environment anyway...and to expose them to any further anguish would not be very kindly at all to yourself...and him/her/the fish. So perhaps try another store with a more professional, dignified and exclusive rep, with bettas already in community tanks...indeed, they are few and far between, but the overall prospective benefits are more promising. And mostly, on a much more positive vibe. Keep happy fish, and in turn, you will also be happy. : ) God bless.
 
psalm18.2
  • #7
I would just cycle the 10 gallon first then add the fish. If you can't wait then try Tetra Safe Start it's a beneficial bacteria cycle starter that allows you to have fish in the tank while using.
 
Mom2some
  • #8
Short answer - yes you could certainly cycle a 10 Gallon with one betta using TSS+. I have noticed an interesting change in the opinion on the board in the 2+ years I have been a member to this general belief that fishless cycling is the best/only way. It is *A* way, but not the only way. In a 10 gallon my opinion is that your betta will be a small bioload & it will be fine, but clearly many here disagree - which is their right. Good luck whatever you choose and please share a picture!

Wanted to come back & say ... which is more stressful to the betta
1. Being in a tiny unfiltered cup for 2 weeks
2. Being in your 10 gal while it cycles with TSS+ or use of Prime & Stability?
 
RonJ
  • #9
Indeed Bettas ARE very resilient and super hardy and tough..because they're Bettas eh? The most powerful, major biologically manipulating altering chemicals should be used as a last resort, IMO/IME......but hey...that's just me.

And well...unfortunately, most box lfs's supply of bettas are already subjected to a rather upsetting practice and environment anyway...and to expose them to any further anguish would not be very kindly at all to yourself...and him/her/the fish. So perhaps try another store with a more professional, dignified and exclusive rep, with bettas already in community tanks...indeed, they are few and far between, but the overall prospective benefits are more promising. And mostly, on a much more positive vibe. Keep happy fish, and in turn, you will also be happy. : ) God bless.

What are those biologically manipulating altering chemicals?

If you are referring to Tetra Safe Start or Seachem Stability there are just live bacteria. Not a biologically altering chemical.
 
Rojer Ramjet
  • #10
I have 16 aquariums and assorted support equipment; I do all of my initial setup with livestock in tank - I dose with Prime and Stability daily for a minimum of 7 days, or until I have no more detectable ammonia or nitrites and a heavy nitrate presence.

I just finished a shrimp-in-cycle with a couple of Endlers thrown in on a nano-cube; zero losses, zero stress observed, all females were berried by the end of the cycle (CRS and Ghost - I breed to feed other fish).
 
cmonstr
  • #11
oh believe me, I know. My first aquarium was a complete disaster (to be fair I wasn't allowed to use the internet) pet store employees can be the worst. Among many other unforgivable things, the dude pushed me into getting bumblebee gobies because I thought that they were cute. Never said anything about the fact that they need brackish water and special food. So those poor guys along with about 8 other poor fish met a very quick monstrous end by my handead:


That's what I thought. One labyrinth fish in a 10 gallon with frequent water changes should be fine. I just needed a second opinion.

If it’s your first tank, I would do fishless first. It’s just ~safer~
 
RachelNoel
  • Thread Starter
  • #12
A get that you guys just want what's best for the fish. But wouldn't a heavily monitored 10 gallon with water changes and a heater be much more safe than that dingy cup? I'm fairly certain the cups can't maintain a cycle.

Like I said, I plan on doing a fishless cycle.
 
david1978
  • #13
I would just put it in the 10 and test your water daily and change water as needed. It will much easier on the fish than the little cup. I have only ever done fish in cycles with very few loses. As long as you keep up water quality he will be fine.
 
RachelNoel
  • Thread Starter
  • #14
I would just put it in the 10 and test your water daily and change water as needed. It will much easier on the fish than the little cup. I have only ever done fish in cycles with very few loses. As long as you keep up water quality he will be fine.

I think I might. I will be constantly around (because my life is boring) so I will have the means to test daily, as well as do water changes as soon as needed.
 
Mom2some
  • #15
If you are going to be checking water, then I would recommend Stability rather than TSS+ since you can do water changes with that.
 
RachelNoel
  • Thread Starter
  • #16
I still might do a fishless cycle using just ammonium chloride as there seems to be some controversy regarding cycling products. I still have more research to do.
 
Lunnietic
  • #17
A get that you guys just want what's best for the fish. But wouldn't a heavily monitored 10 gallon with water changes and a heater be much more safe than that dingy cup? I'm fairly certain the cups can't maintain a cycle.

Like I said, I plan on doing a fishless cycle.
If there is a filter too, should be okay.
 
mrdilling
  • #18
oh believe me, I know. My first aquarium was a complete disaster (to be fair I wasn't allowed to use the internet) pet store employees can be the worst. Among many other unforgivable things, the dude pushed me into getting bumblebee gobies because I thought that they were cute. Never said anything about the fact that they need brackish water and special food. So those poor guys along with about 8 other poor fish met a very quick monstrous end by my handead:


That's what I thought. One labyrinth fish in a 10 gallon with frequent water changes should be fine. I just needed a second opinion.
Keep an eye out for illness. Could be rather stressful on the fish
 
RachelNoel
  • Thread Starter
  • #19
If there is a filter too, should be okay.
absolutely! It will have a baffled aquaclear 20, as well as a sponge filter.
I will most likely be doing a fishless cycle anyways.
 

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