Argentine Swords are sad Help

  1. Akari_32 Fishlore Legend Member

    I have two small-ish (5-6 inch) Argentine Swords in my 5.5 gallon. I use Flourish Root Tabs, and Flourish Comp is slightly over dosed once a week, at almost 1/4 teaspoon. Lighting is a single 13 watt (60? watt replacement) CFL, on for like... 11 or 12 hours a day. Substrate is black sand, with MTS to stir it up.

    One of them was always kind of sad, but the other I noticed started yellowing a bit after my Lily Bulb really took off, and started growing all over the place. I had one new root tab at the base of the sword, and the Lily was about 5 inches away. I recently moved the Lily, and found that, to my surprise, the roots, *all* of the roots, were growing towards the root tab, thus out competing the poor sword.

    I'm not do to replace the Root Tabs until Mat 1st, but I don't want my Sword to die, as I really like it. I'd hate to check and see how the root tab is, and make it worse by floofing (Yes. "Floofing." :p) it all up into the water column, but I'd *also* hate to just stick a new one down there, and screw my parameters up :/

    This is the only plant that is having any problems (besides my new-ish Banana Plant. PetCo didn't treat it very nicely, but its slowly perking up). I also have:
    Guppy Grass (So. Much. Guppy Grass @.@)
    a Dwarf Lily
    a Crypt Wendtii
    some Dwarf Hair Grass (also near the Argentine Sword, and has started to do better since I moved the Lily)
    an Onion plant
    a Java Fern
    Java Moss (just a tiny little bit)
    2 Argentine Swords

    And a few days ago, I added:
    a Marimo Moss Ball
    an Amazon Sword (a bit smaller than the Argentines)
    and Telanthera (?) (which is still trying adjust to life underwater)

    Heres a pic of the Argentine Sword. You can see half of the plant is yellowy, while the other half is real happy and green. Also, the difference in the leaf shape...?


    And a FTS:


    P.S. I have no idea how I managed to shove all these plants in there LOL

    Also, Stocking is in my sig. Not listed are the MTS and RCS. They don't really count lol
  2. Wendy Lubianetsky Well Known Member Member

    Could you please explain to a plant beginner, beginner, beginner what a root tab is and how it works??

  3. Akari_32 Fishlore Legend Member

    A root tab is an awkward little chunk of solid fertilizers for plants, such as swords and crypts, that ulilize nutrients more from the substrate than they do the water column, such as java fern and guppy grass. Does that make sense?
  4. Cichlidnut Fishlore VIP Member

    What kind of lighting are you using?

    IMO I think you're putting too many ferts in. Especially with frogs.

  5. Akari_32 Fishlore Legend Member

    A 13 watt CFL. The frogs don't seem to mind. The male sings, and they try to make babies all the time. Not to mention that they eat like pigs. You've seen the proof of that lol
  6. Cichlidnut Fishlore VIP Member

    Fertilizers in amphibians have an accumulative affect. They absorb whatever is in your water through their skin.

    As for the plant, you could try adding another light source that has a different spectrum of light.
  7. Akari_32 Fishlore Legend Member

    What kind would you recommend? The space there is limited, as it's made for an incandescent bulb.

  8. Cichlidnut Fishlore VIP Member

    You probably want something in the lower light spectrum, if you can keep the current bulb as well. Otherwise I know petco sells some bulbs for hoods like yours that are in the 5000k - 6500k spectrum that work really well. Do you know what your current bulb is putting out?

    If you add a lot of ferts, you need a lot of light. Try backing off on the liquid fert a bit and see if that helps.
  9. Akari_32 Fishlore Legend Member

    So you have a link for that?
  10. Cichlidnut Fishlore VIP Member

  11. Akari_32 Fishlore Legend Member

    Oh ok. I'll look into that.

    No I don't. I'm not at my room right now. I can look when I get back though. The one u have right now is the equivalent of 60 watts, as far as I can gather the pack I bought doesn't say how many watts it replaces, but other 13 watt CFL packs say like 60 watts or something.
  12. Cichlidnut Fishlore VIP Member

    It's not just wattage that you need to look at. Light wavelength plays a part in this. You're current bulb may not be hitting the right wavelengths for a plant that needs higher light levels.
  13. Akari_32 Fishlore Legend Member

    Well the lily likes it :p


    So do you think this might explain why the java fern has been turning a nice dark green, even though it's not shaded and is pretty much right under the light? (the wavelength)
  14. Cichlidnut Fishlore VIP Member

    Java moss isn't very picky. It's like an aquatic weed lol. I'm getting overrun with the stuff. When you get back to your room look at the bulb, maybe it'll have info on it.
  15. Akari_32 Fishlore Legend Member

    Java *fern*, not java moss lol My moss is kinda like "screw you, I'm not growing!" LOL

    Ok, so I made a boo-boo. I have a 10 watt CFL. Not a 13. Thats the 10 gallon LOL

    So, this 10 watter equals 40 incandescent watts. I'll give you all the info on the box I can find (doesn't say much :/)

    -520 Lumens
    -Soft White
    -120 VAC
    -60 Hz
    -140 mA

    Whatever those last 3 mean.... I'll find the GE equivalent of these bulbs on line and post a link.
  16. Akari_32 Fishlore Legend Member

  17. Cichlidnut Fishlore VIP Member

    that's what I needed to know! it's a 2700k bulb. If you switch to a 6500k from petco, you'll get a much broader light spectrum for your plants. I'll get a pic up tonight of what my 10 gallon looks with my 2 6500k bulbs. I need to stop Fishloring from work lol.

    They bulbs I linked above are expensive, but in my opinion worth it!
  18. Akari_32 Fishlore Legend Member

    I've got two of these on my 10 gallon:

    Would my swords be happier if I took them home with me this weekend and put them in the 10 gallon? I'd like to work with what I have if I can =3

    Also, I have a 20 long, with one of these, but a regular, 2 inch thick, one:|0||p_product_qty_sales_dollar|1&pl=1&currentURL=%2Fpl_5%2B10_4294801207%2B4294965819%2B5003695_4294937087_%3Fpage%3D2%26Ns%3Dp_product_prd_lis_ord_nbr%7C0%7C%7Cp_product_qty_sales_dollar%7C1&facetInfo=GE|$5%20-%20$10
  19. Cichlidnut Fishlore VIP Member

    Pssst. I'm looking, gosh. I'm not sure what wavelength the first bulb gives off. Couldn't find any info on it. Your last link doesn't work. I think you've said that your tank at school doesn't get any natural sunlight. If your tanks at home do, then I think they would probably do better at home.

    I'll do some research and see what amount of light your plants need.

    Edit: do you know the scientific name for the plant you have?
  20. Akari_32 Fishlore Legend Member


    I couldn't find anything about the 1st one, either :/ For the second one, you have to copy/paste the thing into the address bar. I dunno whats its issue is LOL

    Tank in my dorm only gets the light from the tank (and the room lol). Tanks at home may or may not get natural sunlight. The second link is used for terrestrial plants, too, and apparently is for corals as well.


    Heres that link again. I wonder if it will work this time....|0||p_product_qty_sales_dollar|1&facetInfo=GE