Are Tiger endlers hybrids or pure endlers?

I picked up some tiger endlers a few days back, and the eBay listing suggests they are "pure tiger endlers" (listing). Upon reading more about them, it would actually seem as they are Class K. From this site:

There have been many beautiful hybrid strains developed by tropical fish hobbyists. Some of the most popular hybrids are Tiger Endler’s

Not that it overly matters, because I think they are awesome looking regardless, but now I'm curious of "pure" is even the right word to be using when referencing these endlers?

 

Tiger endlers are crossed with guppies.

 

Yes tiger endlers are crossed with guppies.

It’s likely the meaning of “ pure” in the original advertisement implies that they drop young of a pure bloodline/ a strong bloodline. All the fry look like the parents.

In reality you will always get the odd fry that shows slightly the wrong colours. To keep a bloodline as pure as possible you can’t allow that one to breed in the main tank.

 

Right ok, thank you both! Makes sense!

Now to find where I can get class N or P endlers in the uk (different tank of course)!

 

I picked up some tiger endlers a few days back, and the eBay listing suggests they are "pure tiger endlers" (listing). Upon reading more about them, it would actually seem as they are Class K.

Tiger endlers are crossed with guppies.

Yes tiger endlers are crossed with guppies.

It’s likely the meaning of “ pure” in the original advertisement implies that they drop young of a pure bloodline/ a strong bloodline. All the fry look like the parents.

In reality you will always get the odd fry that shows slightly the wrong colours. To keep a bloodline as pure as possible you can’t allow that one to breed in the main tank.

Yes, tiger endlers are hybrids between endler and guppy. The guppy strain used is the Galaxy medusa guppy, to be more precise.
And indeed, "pure" means in this case, that the offspring are phenotypically like the parents. But not pure as being pure endlers. And what's been already mentioned over here that with hybrid strains more likely, a certain percentage will be off in similar looks as the parents. This goes also for normal pure strains, but with a hybrid strain it's more likely to happen. That's normal.

 

Yes, tiger endlers are hybrids between endler and guppy. The guppy strain used is the Galaxy medusa guppy, to be more precise.

Nice, that's interesting to know - thanks!

And indeed, "pure" means in this case, that the offspring are phenotypically like the parents. But not pure as being pure endlers. And what's been already mentioned over here that with hybrid strains more likely, a certain percentage will be off in similar looks as the parents. This goes also for normal pure strains, but with a hybrid strain it's more likely to happen. That's normal.

Awesome, thanks. Does it matter if I keep the endlers which don't look the same in the same tank as the ones breeding, or should I be removing it?

 

Awesome, thanks. Does it matter if I keep the endlers which don't look the same in the same tank as the ones breeding, or should I be removing it?

You can keep them in there but the problem is that you don't know for sure if they carry undesired genes that could be inherited dominantly. Which could make the phenotypes of the males in next generations more diverse. If you don't want that risk, then you could separate them from the group.

 

You can keep them in there but the problem is that you don't know for sure if they carry undesired genes that could be inherited dominantly. Which could make the phenotypes of the males in next generations more diverse. If you don't want that risk, then you could separate them from the group.

Excellent, ok, thank you. I suppose that leaves me to either move it to the community tank (if it's a male), cull it or add it to my cichlid tank and let them sort it out.

I suppose it depends how big they are when they get their colour haha.

Follow up question - I don't suppose you know any UK breeders that sell Class N or P endlers?

 

Follow up question - I don't suppose you know any UK breeders that sell Class N or P endlers?

I do know that endlers of mine during the last couple Vivarium editions have moved to the UK. That had to do with the Brexit. Those breeders were scared that rare livebearers would become much more expensive when the Brexit would become a fact. So, a serious number of keepers/breeders from the UK paid a visit to purchase as many rare livebearers as they could for a fair price.
I don't know all those names who have purchased fish from me. But you could try to inform at BLA (British Livebearer Association).

 

I'll give that a go thank you.

I assume you don't ship/sell to the UK?

 

I'll give that a go thank you.

I assume you don't ship/sell to the UK?

Actually, I do. But shipping abroad can be expensive. And yes, I also keep and breed N-class endlers. I always like to warn people for the costs involved.

 

Actually, I do. But shipping abroad can be expensive. And yes, I also keep and breed N-class endlers. I always like to warn people for the costs involved.

Oh, excellent. Would you mind if I private messaged you to discuss what you have / cost of purchasing/shipping etc?

I'd need to buy a new tank and everything before doing anything, just curious how much it would all cost so I can start making the presentation to the boss (wife).