Are these plants legal?

AcornTheBetta

Hi all!
I was wondering if Golden Nesaea, Green Cabomba Carolina, and Rotala Rotundifolia are legal in California? Now, for mentions of people who could know Vishaquatics BettasAreSuperior Sanderguy777? Thanks!
 

BettasAreSuperior

Hi all!
I was wondering if Golden Nesaea, Green Cabomba Carolina, and Rotala Rotundifolia are legal in California? Now, for mentions of people who could know Vishaquatics BettasAreSuperior Sanderguy777? Thanks!
According to my research, it should be legal and is perfectly fine. The only thing that is not legal is picking and using California's state flower, the California Poppy, and some other plants I forgot...but back to your question! As I said, it should be fine.
 
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Sanderguy777

I'm pretty sure I've seen the rotala for sale here somewhere... I can't imagine it being illegal unless they want to ban it because it has already taken over too many California waterways...

Yeah, USING the state flower is the illegal part lol. (Watch Mythbusters episode about dr*g testing after poppyseed bread!)
 
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AcornTheBetta

According to my research, it should be legal and is perfectly fine. The only thing that is not legal is picking and using California's state flower, the California Poppy, and some other plants I forgot...but back to your question! As I said, it should be fine.
I'm pretty sure I've seen the rotala for sale here somewhere... I can't imagine it being illegal unless they want to ban it because it has already taken over too many California waterways...

Yeah, USING the state flower is the illegal part lol. (Watch Mythbusters episode about dr*g testing after poppyseed bread!)
Ok. Thanks! I know some types of anacharis are illegal here...
 
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Kribensis27

Some types of anacharis are illegal everywhere . There’s a type to invade every waterway! Even up here and further north.
 
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Vishaquatics

Cabomba caroliniana is illegal. Nesaea and Rotundifolia are fine, though Rotundifolia is on a watch list of sorts if you do really deep digging. If you need to find banned species list, look at the California noxious weed list. Other websites that don't end in .gov are not trustworthy.

California State Noxious Weeds List | USDA PLANTS
CDFA - Plant Health - Encycloweedia: Data Sheets for California Noxious Weeds

Illegal aquatic species in CA include cabomba caroliniana, elodea densa, elodea najas, frogbit, water lettuce, ceratopteris thalictroides (water sprite), limnophila sessiliflora, limnophila indica, and giant salvinia.

Bacopa monnieri was recently taken off the noxious weed list so it's okay to grow it in Cali again. If you need an elodea alternative, use elodea canadensis.
 
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AcornTheBetta

Cabomba caroliniana is illegal. Nesaea and Rotundifolia are fine, though Rotundifolia is on a watch list of sorts if you do really deep digging. If you need to find banned species list, look at the California noxious weed list. Other websites that don't end in .gov are not trustworthy.

California State Noxious Weeds List | USDA PLANTS
CDFA - Plant Health - Encycloweedia: Data Sheets for California Noxious Weeds

Illegal aquatic species in CA include cabomba caroliniana, elodea densa, elodea najas, frogbit, water lettuce, ceratopteris thalictroides (water sprite), limnophila sessiliflora, limnophila indica, and giant salvinia.

Bacopa monnieri was recently taken off the noxious weed list so it's okay to grow it in Cali again. If you need an elodea alternative, use elodea canadensis.
Any ideas for substitutes or should I bump the plant I'm going to grow (this is in a 10g) to just the 2?
 
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Vishaquatics

Any ideas for substitutes or should I bump the plant I'm going to grow (this is in a 10g) to just the 2?

Here's substitutes for the illegal stuff:

Limnophila sessi/indica = Limnophila heterophylla
Cabomba = Cabomba aquatica (though this might be hardish to grow)
Elodea densa = Elodea canadensis
C. thalictroides = Ceratopteris cornuta
Giant salvinia = Salvinia oblongifolia
Water lettuce = no substitute
Frogbit = no substitute
 
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AcornTheBetta

Here's substitutes for the illegal stuff:

Limnophila sessi/indica = Limnophila heterophylla
Cabomba = Cabomba aquatica (though this might be hardish to grow)
Elodea densa = Elodea canadensis
C. thalictroides = Ceratopteris cornuta
Giant salvinia = Salvinia oblongifolia
Water lettuce = no substitute
Frogbit = no substitute
Ok thanks! Is Red Myrio (Myriophyllum heterophyllum) legal and would it work in this tank? Also, couldn't you swap Frogbit with Amazon Frogbit?
 
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Sanderguy777

I got salvinia minima here, but now that I compare it to frogbit, it doesn't look at all the same...
It DOES grow and look cool though... lol
 
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Vishaquatics

Ok thanks! Is Red Myrio (Myriophyllum heterophyllum) legal and would it work in this tank? Also, couldn't you swap Frogbit with Amazon Frogbit?

Red Myrio is fine. Frogbit and Amazon Frogbit are the same species and are both illegal. If you're looking to explore floaters more, explore the various types of salvinia, RRFs, and azolla filiculoides.
 
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Kribensis27

Red Myrio is fine. Frogbit and Amazon Frogbit are the same species and are both illegal. If you're looking to explore floaters more, explore the various types of salvinia, RRFs, and azolla filiculoides.
Wait, there’s more than one type of RRF?
 
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Pfrozen

I hated my salvinia natans for the first couple weeks but I like it now. The leaves grow largish and the segments can be 10 cm long so its not a "small" plant once it grows out. It is actually pretty neat and tidy looking with short roots
 
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JJ3204

Hm. In that list I wanted frogbit, salvini, and water sprite for my tank. Glad I saw this. I guess since I wasn’t ready to start my tank I hadn’t started research so I never would have known they are illegal. That’s too bad, I like frogbit. Is it only the large salvinia that is banned?
 
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AcornTheBetta

Red Myrio is fine. Frogbit and Amazon Frogbit are the same species and are both illegal. If you're looking to explore floaters more, explore the various types of salvinia, RRFs, and azolla filiculoides.
Ok. Do you think it is better to sell on ebay or Aquabid? Ummmmmm.... I have Amazon Frogbit... Are you sure it's illegal? If it is, I will throw it all out. I already have salvinia minima....
 
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Sauceboat

Ok. Do you think it is better to sell on ebay or Aquabid? Ummmmmm.... I have Amazon Frogbit... Are you sure it's illegal? If it is, I will throw it all out. I already have salvinia minima....

You’ll be fine. I’m in California and I have some that I bought a LFS near me. The reason plants are illegal is because they pose a threat to local ecosystems. So long as you aren’t dumping plants into natural water systems (which we know better not to do) I wouldn’t worry too much.
 
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AcornTheBetta

You’ll be fine. I’m in California and I have some that I bought a LFS near me. The reason plants are illegal is because they pose a threat to local ecosystems. So long as you aren’t dumping plants into natural water systems (which we know better not to do) I wouldn’t worry too much.
Ok! I would NEVER do that.
 
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Vishaquatics

Ok. Do you think it is better to sell on ebay or Aquabid? Ummmmmm.... I have Amazon Frogbit... Are you sure it's illegal? If it is, I will throw it all out. I already have salvinia minima....

I've sold on both platforms. I like aquabid better, but your results may vary.

I'd recommend to discard the frogbit safely and stop growing it if you are looking to sell it. I just think it's better safe than sorry. If you are looking to become a legitimate seller (eventually with licensing in the future), you will need to abide by California rules and regulation. It also helps your nursery license application if you haven't been growing/selling invasive species.

Hm. In that list I wanted frogbit, salvini, and water sprite for my tank. Glad I saw this. I guess since I wasn’t ready to start my tank I hadn’t started research so I never would have known they are illegal. That’s too bad, I like frogbit. Is it only the large salvinia that is banned?

Giant salvinia is banned, but other salvinias like minima, natans, cucculata, oblongifolia, etc are not banned. There's quite a bit of variety to explore with salvinia.
 
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AcornTheBetta

I've sold on both platforms. I like aquabid better, but your results may vary.

I'd recommend to discard the frogbit safely and stop growing it if you are looking to sell it. I just think it's better safe than sorry. If you are looking to become a legitimate seller (eventually with licensing in the future), you will need to abide by California rules and regulation. It also helps your nursery license application if you haven't been growing/selling invasive species.



Giant salvinia is banned, but other salvinias like minima, natans, cucculata, oblongifolia, etc are not banned. There's quite a bit of variety to explore with salvinia.
Ok. I will probably not become a legit seller so that's fine lol
 
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Fishproblem

Ok. I will probably not become a legit seller so that's fine lol
just make sure that you aren't dumping it down the drain in any way when you do water changes or tank maintenance.

my cabomba is legal-in-cali aquatica, not caroliniana. it's growing fast again now that i've replaced my root tabs and i'd bet it'll be ready for a big trim in about three weeks. do you want me to ship it to you when it's ready? I can give you parameters and lighting info in DMs to give you a headstart, but mine grows like an absolute weed.
 
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AcornTheBetta

just make sure that you aren't dumping it down the drain in any way when you do water changes or tank maintenance.

my cabomba is legal-in-cali aquatica, not caroliniana. it's growing fast again now that i've replaced my root tabs and i'd bet it'll be ready for a big trim in about three weeks. do you want me to ship it to you when it's ready? I can give you parameters and lighting info in DMs to give you a headstart, but mine grows like an absolute weed.
Yeah I just dump it into my yard on the plants...

Ok. I might need it then, but that might be too early since I don't even have the tank yet and I have feeling that this might take a while. Yes. Plz DM!
 
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