Apistogramma viejita

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I recently purchased a group of Apistogramma viejita to grow out. They are not beautiful yet, I think they will be
 

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Real viejita are not common, and some strains of macmasteri are often mislabeled as viejita. I would post pictures at Apistogramma.com to get Mike Wise to look at them for ID verification.
 
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These are fry that are from the line of Porto gaitan fish in the recent viejita threads there. If I got scammed and they are mac’s then that will disappoint
 

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mbkemp said:
These are fry that are from the line of Porto gaitan fish in the recent viejita threads there. If I got scammed and they are mac’s then that will disappoint
Oh, I wasn't suggesting that they didn't look like viejita. I have looked at photos of both, read Mike's analysis explaining the differences, went back and still couldn't tell them apart. I was just pointing out that a lot of commercially available macs are often sold as viejita, but it sounds like you have a trustworthy source.

Whenever I get commonly confusing fish, I always practice trust but verify. Saved my caboose more than once.
 
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I appreciate your feedback. I will be happy either way but I really want them to be what I bought. There is risk buying a group and having them grow out. I enjoy watching them grow

she sent me some from two different spawns. I was really happy about having the possibility of different lines. I am excited to see them grow to the point of Being able the sex them out.
 

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I sure hope they are too Mike, I thought the same thing about them being macs but went ahead and got them anyways, I also have 12 macs about the same size and for right now they seem to look about the same, I would sure hate to wind up with 21 macs.
Do you know if the two spawns are from different bloodlines?
 
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She told me they were. I hope yours are all doing well!!
 

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They eat like little pigs.

I sent her a PM asking who she may have got them from, so I could I could try and see if I can get a little history on them, if I remember right she was selling them as F-1's from wild caught.
 
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She was. I think she got hers from Shane or Miguel. Third hand hearsay

I did something really stupid last night. I was doing my water changes like normal. Came back to look like I always do and my little viejita were about gone. Wobbling and spinning. I felt sick

the only thing that makes sense is I also used some liquid plumber last night to clear a sink drain. I know I did that after water changes and I know only my right hand was in that stuff. I had to somehow contaminate that tank

a little shot of Safe and I still have all nine! Went to bed thinking I had killed my babies somehow.

moral to the story is check and double check. I washed my hand multiple times and still almost killed them. Safe is good stuff
 

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What is safe?
 
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It is basically a powder form of prime. I think prime is better but safe is cheaper if you are changing a bunch of water
 

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viejita Macmasteri

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I think the shape of the spot at the base of the tail has something to do with identification, need to do some digging. Maybe chromedome52 can help with the pictures, I know there not the best but my camera is cheap and crappy.[/B]
 
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I read a description by mike wise in an old episode of the Krib that indicated the caudal spot was different. They are very similar
 

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I read the same thing, I need to go back and re-read it, are any of yours starting to get any color? One of the largest ones I got the tail is starting to show some red in it but not much.
 
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There are a few that are larger. There is some color but that tank is dark enough that nuance is hard
 

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I know the pic. dont do them justice but looking at mine "Viejita and Mac's." the tail spot is different between the two and as described by Mike Wise on apistogramma.com.
 
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Yep, they're either viejita or macmasteri, for sure! ;) :confused:
 
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I’m happy either way. I hope they are what I bought

My biggest one that I assume is a boy has a solid blue edge the length of his Dorsal fin. He is the only one so far. I think that is good news


My babies like brine shrimp

I also think I am about to witness a copella natteri spawning
 

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mbkemp said:
I also think I am about to witness a copella natteri spawning
That would be very interesting to see. Copella species underwent some "corrective" identification a few years ago, so it would be interesting to see the fish and what kind of leaf or surface they choose to spawn upon. There's a recent report of spawning a close relative, C. callolepis, over at Apistogramma.com. I found it interesting because it is the first time anyone has described the spawning in the same way that I observed from my own fish back in the late 1970s. At the time, I thought my fish were C. nattereri. Apparently it depends on whether you follow Zarske's classification from 2011, or Marinho's reclassification from 2017.
 
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