Anyone With A Fluval 406 Or 407 ?

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I would like to buy a Fluval 407 this week (406 is the same height) but I’m not sure it would fit under my aquarium tank, as far as height is concerned.

Would anyone be kind enough to measure theirs and tell me how much room I need for it, including the aqua valve stop, the tubing and enough room to use the self-primer easily ?

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From a quick search on the Fluval web site.

407 Performance Canister Filter, up to 100 US Gal (500 L)
SKU: A449 | UPC: 015561104494
Format: 50-100 US Gal (150-500 L) / 9.5 L x 7 W x 19.3 H" (24 L x 18 W x 49 H cm)

Very expensive for what you get.
 

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I have a 406 and the height is around 20" to the white tubes where the corrogated tube attached to on the aquastop valve and about 10" wide and about 8.5" front to back. Pretty much exactly what Cichlidude found.
 
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Cichlidude said:
From a quick search on the Fluval web site.

407 Performance Canister Filter, up to 100 US Gal (500 L)
SKU: A449 | UPC: 015561104494
Format: 50-100 US Gal (150-500 L) / 9.5 L x 7 W x 19.3 H" (24 L x 18 W x 49 H cm)

Really expensive for what you get.
Thank you, I saw those numbers but they don’t tell you how much additional space you need for the valve, the tubing and room for priming.

I know it’s really expensive and I would really like to find something else, but honestly I’ve looked at all options and can’t find anything.

I just returned a EheI'm pro 4+ that was too noisy. I’m waiting for my money back (hopefully) to buy something else.

My main criterias :

Silent (it’s in my leaving room)
Self-priming
Spray bar attachment
Easy to maintain
No cheap plastic (so it won’t leak)
Powerful filtration

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I have a 406 and the height is around 20" to the white tubes where the corrogated tube attached to on the aquastop valve and about 10" wide and about 8.5" front to back. Pretty much exactly what Cichlidude found.
Thank you very much ! When you prime, do you need to go higher than those 20 inches ?
 

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Dechi said:
Thank you, I saw those numbers but they don’t tell you how much additional space you need for the valve, the tubing and room for priming.

I know it’s really expensive and I would really like to find something else, but honestly I’ve looked at all options and can’t find anything.

I just returned a EheI'm pro 4+ that was too noisy. I’m waiting for my money back (hopefully) to buy something else.

My main criterias :

Silent (it’s in my leaving room)
Self-priming
Spray bar attachment
Easy to maintain
No cheap plastic (so it won’t leak)
Powerful filtration
I have the 206 and 406 and they are both very silent. As far as the Aquastop valve I had to replace the one on my 406 from it dripping out of the side. I contacted Fluval and they sent me a new one for free. Also if you go with this brand be sure to have an extra O-ring on hand. Incase after filter maintenance it drips from the canister and head unit. ( I didn't have this issue but heard it can happen )
 

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Well you would need about a 370-450 gph assuming your profile is correct with a 45 gallon tank. Check here on Amazon for 4+ star rated canisters and above. Suggest the Sunsun or Polar Aurora at about $64.



I have a Sunsun 303B running for 8+ years now perfectly. Just measured it and it is 18 inches high total with valve.
 

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Thank you very much ! When you prime, do you need to go higher than those 20 inches ?
No the primer is a small knob that you pull and push and it doesn't go above the white connectors on the Aquastop valve. My filter is under my 55 in a wide open DIY 2x4 stand.
 

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I have the 206 and 406 and they are both very silent. As far as the Aquastop valve I had to replace the one on my 406 from it dripping out of the side. I contacted Fluval and they sent me a new one for free. Also if you go with this brand be sure to have an extra O-ring on hand. Incase after filter maintenance it drips from the canister and head unit. ( I didn't have this issue but heard it can happen )
Thank you, I will buy an extra O’ring !

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Well you would need about a 370-450 gph assuming your profile is correct with a 45 gallon tank. Check here on Amazon for 4+ star rated canisters and above. Suggest the Sunsun or Polar Aurora at about $64.



I have a Sunsun 303B running for 8+ years now perfectly. Just measured it and it is 18 inches high total with valve.
Yes, my profile is correct. I want a little more filtration than needed. More is more. At first I was considering the 307, than I figured I would be able to stock with bigger fish if I want to with the 407 (I was playing the AQ advisor and that’s how I got the idea).

SunSun scares me, lots of people complaining it leaks.

Polar Aurora, I can’t remember if it’s self-priming and offer the possibility of spray bar attachment. I’ll check it out again.

Thank you

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No the primer is a small knob that you pull and push and it doesn't go above the white connectors on the Aquastop valve. My filter is under my 55 in a wide open DIY 2x4 stand.
Nice very planted tank !
 

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Dechi said:
I know it’s really expensive and I would really like to find something else, but honestly I’ve looked at all options and can’t find anything.
Would think with the 407 now on the market there should be some good deals around on the 406?
 
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kallililly1973 said:
You should be able to DIY a spray bar on pretty much any canister filter with a piece of tubing using the correct size of the output connector.
I am very bad at making anything, and I have no tools. I can probably manage to make holes in the tubing but that’s about it, lol !

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Would think with the 407 now on the market there should be some good deals around on the 406?
There going down about 50$ now. Fluval has fixed a few inconveniences on the 406 so I’d rather get the 407.

casuk said:
Is there an fx7 coming too
I haven’t seen any indication of a soon to be release date.
 

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Dechi said:
There going down about 50$ now. Fluval has fixed a few inconveniences on the 406 so I’d rather get the 407.
Fair enough. What have they fixed? The only thing I'd change on mine is the ribbed tubing.
 

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I haven’t seen any indication of a soon to be release date.
There wasn't much change between the fx5 and fx6 so I think there quite happy with the product as is
 

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I agree with the ribbed tubing but I think you can get other brand tubing to fit the valve. Aside from a hardware store. I tried using some from Home Depot on mine but the tubing was too thick. I wanted to add a Lily pipe. It worked but I wasn't comfortable with the way it held on the Aquastop valve. The only other thing that they hopefully improved is the Aquastop valve. It's the most important part of this filter and seems to be the weak link.
 
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Fair enough. What have they fixed? The only thing I'd change on mine is the ribbed tubing.
The handle of the self-primer is supposed to be 7 times stronger. There is more room for fingers to lift the clamp of the aqua valve. I think the vertical foam in the filter has been improved to have more surface. It’s supposed to be 25% quieter, have more power and be more efficient.

They explain it in this video, particularly starting at 2:27

 

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Dechi said:
The handle of the self-primer is supposed to be 7 times stronger. There is more room for fingers to lift the clamp of the aqua valve. I think the vertical foam in the filter has been improved to have more surface. It’s supposed to be 25% quieter, have more power and be more efficient.
Thank you. I'll admit that I go easy on the primer since I once broke one on a 305. Making it quieter is impressive, I can barely hear my 406.

Btw I checked out the new foam design, seems they also fit the 406, might given them a try next time I need replacements.

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Dechi said:
Thank you, I saw those numbers but they don’t tell you how much additional space you need for the valve, the tubing and room for priming.

I know it’s really expensive and I would really like to find something else, but honestly I’ve looked at all options and can’t find anything.

I just returned a EheI'm pro 4+ that was too noisy. I’m waiting for my money back (hopefully) to buy something else.

My main criterias :

Silent (it’s in my leaving room)
Self-priming
Spray bar attachment
Easy to maintain
No cheap plastic (so it won’t leak)
Powerful filtration



Thank you very much ! When you prime, do you need to go higher than those 20 inches ?
Sorry to hear about your noisy EheI'm Pro 4+. I have 1 x 350 & 2 x 600's & 1x 2217 which are so quiet I need to touch them to tell they are running. Of course all outlets are under surface.
 

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if an Ehiem is too loud our in trouble. I've run 22 sunsun 304b filters for 3 years and never had a leak. I've found all the 406 series and most likely the 7 series to have too many filter cartages that you can only buy from Fluval. If your going to buy a Fluval, look into the fx series, I have 7 fx 6 and them.
 
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if an Ehiem is too loud our in trouble. I've run 22 sunsun 304b filters for 3 years and never had a leak. I've found all the 406 series and most likely the 7 series to have too many filter cartages that you can only buy from Fluval. If your going to buy a Fluval, look into the fx series, I have 7 fx 6 and them.
The Fx6 is very expensive. The sunsun I’m afraid of. Some people love them and others say they’re cheap and leak.

I’m leaning towards the Hydor, but it’s not easy getting parts for them. So hard to decide... :-(
 

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