Any Room For Bolivian Ram?

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That’s sound way over crowded I would remove some of them or just keep them and not get anymore until there’s 15 and then maybe add 1 or 2 .The Cory’s will get bigger because they have room
 
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Iverg1 said:
That’s sound way over crowded I would remove some of them or just keep them and not get anymore until there’s 15 and then maybe add 1 or 2 .The Cory’s will get bigger because they have room
Why is my tank overcrowded?
 

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I'd only keep both of the platies, or just the molly, or just the guppy. The others seem fine in terms of overstocking.
 

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Becknewt24 said:
Why is my tank overcrowded
Well you got 22 fish in there I don’t know the sizes for them but that seems like a lot I do know that the Cory’s will get bigger because they have space
 
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Iverg1 said:
Well you got 22 fish in there I don’t know the sizes for them but that seems like a lot I do know that the Cory’s will get bigger because they have space
Albinos get to 2 inches. Rasboras get to 1.5, platys get to 2, guppys get to 2, mollys to 4.5, and dwarf gouramis get to 3 or 3.5. Plus the smartest person on here told me my stocking was fine.

Iverg1 said:
Well you got 22 fish in there I don’t know the sizes for them but that seems like a lot I do know that the Cory’s will get bigger because they have space
And I usually do 40-50 percent water changes per week.

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I'd only keep both of the platies, or just the molly, or just the guppy. The others seem fine in terms of overstocking.
How come?
 

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I think you're pretty much stocked, perhaps even pushing it a bit imo. I wouldn't add the rams personally.
 
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IceFyre1414 said:
I think you're pretty much stocked, perhaps even pushing it a bit imo. I wouldn't add the rams personally.
Welp. I didn't think so. Maybe next tank I get. If I get a pair, they're best if they are the same gender, right? And could I fit 1 or 2 in a 20 gallon?

TexasDomer would you agree with what the other people said?
 

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You could do a M/F pair in a 20 gal long. Two males may not work out, two females may. A 20 gal tall is a little too small for a pair.

I think you could add a Bolivian to this tank, especially if you took out something like the molly.
 

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I’m not a stocking expert by any stretch of the imagination but my research and experience tell me stocking comes down to four things - physical space, filtration, bioload, and water changes.

From a space point of view my rams (I have 6 but not all in the same tank) stay towards the bottom. With good filtration and diligent water changes you could be just fine. I am unfamiliar with where platys and mollys hang out though.

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Welp. I didn't think so. Maybe next tank I get. If I get a pair, they're best if they are the same gender, right? And could I fit 1 or 2 in a 20 gallon?
Agree with TexasDomer that 20 gallon is too small for a pair. I would not get the same gender if it's males - mine are okay in my 55 with lots of plants but there is a lot of squabbling at feeding time. I have a pair of females who get on quite nicely, though. That said, Bolivian rams are very, very hard to sex until they are more mature. If you aren't into rehoming fish, then make sure you can sex them when you get them.

The only definitive is the vent. Just as an example, it is said that males have tail extensions and a taller third ray that is often black. My females both have tail extensions and one has a taller third ray that is very black. I bought them sexed. The first set I got was four, hoping for 3 F, 1 M. I'd have even settled for 2 and 2 but noooo, I got four males. I had to take one out of my 55 g because he was so chippy with the others (goodbye 29G quarantine tank, hello new DT!).

Anyway, they are sort of like angels - often best kept as a single specimen if you don't want to mess about with letting them choose a mate (preferred) from a group, then rehoming the rest.
 

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I breed Bolivian Rams in a 20 high, it’s plenty of space, they are the only fish in there, but they breed fine and it’s a beautiful tank
 
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TexasDomer said:
You could do a M/F pair in a 20 gal long. Two males may not work out, two females may. A 20 gal tall is a little too small for a pair.

I think you could add a Bolivian to this tank, especially if you took out something like the molly.
That's cool, but I doubt I'll end up rehoming any. Although there is some serious bullying going on between 3 fish (2v1, 2 platys vs 1 guppy but guppy is winning) if 1 died, could I put a ram in? And is there any way to stop it or does it just play out?

CraniumRex said:
I’m not a stocking expert by any stretch of the imagination but my research and experience tell me stocking comes down to four things - physical space, filtration, bioload, and water changes.

From a space point of view my rams (I have 6 but not all in the same tank) stay towards the bottom. With good filtration and diligent water changes you could be just fine. I am unfamiliar with where platys and mollys hang out though.



Agree with TexasDomer that 20 gallon is too small for a pair. I would not get the same gender if it's males - mine are okay in my 55 with lots of plants but there is a lot of squabbling at feeding time. I have a pair of females who get on quite nicely, though. That said, Bolivian rams are very, very hard to sex until they are more mature. If you aren't into rehoming fish, then make sure you can sex them when you get them.

The only definitive is the vent. Just as an example, it is said that males have tail extensions and a taller third ray that is often black. My females both have tail extensions and one has a taller third ray that is very black. I bought them sexed. The first set I got was four, hoping for 3 F, 1 M. I'd have even settled for 2 and 2 but noooo, I got four males. I had to take one out of my 55 g because he was so chippy with the others (goodbye 29G quarantine tank, hello new DT!).

Anyway, they are sort of like angels - often best kept as a single specimen if you don't want to mess about with letting them choose a mate (preferred) from a group, then rehoming the rest.
I was told that it's best to keep the same gender. I feel like you're right tho.
 

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I had to rehome my Bolivian m/f pair after my dwarf gouramI went for them repeatedly. He just would not stop though he had always been peaceful with other fish before. This was in a 65g long heavily planted tank too. So it's not a combination I would recommend personally unless you have a backup plan.
 
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Susiefoo said:
I had to rehome my Bolivian m/f pair after my dwarf gouramI went for them repeatedly. He just would not stop though he had always been peaceful with other fish before. This was in a 65g long heavily planted tank too. So it's not a combination I would recommend personally unless you have a backup plan.
Wow that sucks. My dwarf gouramI is super layed back though. Only time anything aggressive has happened is when I bought my molly and he tried to rule the tank. He put him in his place lol. But yeah he's way more layed back now.
 

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If they're seriously bullying each other, and it doesn't stop after a few days, I'd rehome the aggressor. You can add a Bolivian ram regardless though.
 
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