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MarkN1990 said:
bizaliz3 Tolak

I'm slightly confused with a couple of small aspects here. I plan on buying a small 1-2 gallon jar to put the slate in (a vase) and running an air stone in this to make dosing methylene blue easier and cheaper.

At what stage would I take the slate out of this jar and put it into a hatching tank? When I see wriggles or when free swimming? If free swimming, how do I transfer them?

At what stage so I put a sponge filter in the tank? The meth blue will obviously kill any beneficial bacteria and it'll also need waste to feed on.

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I would suggest moving them as soon as they hatch and start wiggling but before free swimming. Because if I'm not mistaken I think the antifungal stuff is only for during the egg stage... and they'll be much easier to move when they're still stuck to the Slate. And I moved one when it was wiggling but not swimming and he did fine in his new tank. Which had a sponge filter and daily water changes.

Once you move them into the tank you don't have the meth blue to worry about... I say get the Sponge Filter running on the tank before you even move them in there... just so it's ready to go

Tolak will be of more help. I don't think the baby tank ever really gets good bb because you'll be doing 50% water changes every single day...


EDIT and for the record, I just picked up my first bottle of meth blue and I am thinking about intervening on my next batch of eggs....It will be my first try raising them from the egg stage. I wonder if our angels will stay on schedule and lay their next batches at the same time :)
 
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bizaliz3 said:
I would suggest moving them as soon as they hatch and start wiggling but before free swimming. Because if I'm not mistaken I think the antifungal stuff is only for during the egg stage... and they'll be much easier to move when they're still stuck to the Slate. And I moved one when it was wiggling but not swimming and he did fine in his new tank. Which had a sponge filter and daily water changes.

Once you move them into the tank you don't have the meth blue to worry about... I say get the Sponge Filter running on the tank before you even move them in there... just so it's ready to go

Tolak will be of more help. I don't think the baby tank ever really gets good bb because you'll be doing 50% water changes every single day...


EDIT and for the record, I just picked up my first bottle of meth blue and I am thinking about intervening on my next batch of eggs....It will be my first try raising them from the egg stage. I wonder if our angels will stay on schedule and lay their next batches at the same time :)
I hope so! And hopefully we have more luck this time

I have my sponge filter running in my main tank to seed a little before adding to the hatching tank. I'll leave them in the 1 gal container for a few days until they start wriggling then I guess. I'll try and submerge it in my 20 gallon fry tank to keep the heat steady. Will need to try and find a vase!


 

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That's a bummer. sorry about the eggs. Alison
 
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aliray said:
That's a bummer. sorry about the eggs. Alison
I'm absolutely fine about it don't worry! Practice makes perfect


 
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Just picked up this 1Gal container that I'll be able to sit my eggs in with an air stone dosed with meth blue until they start to wriggle! I'll then just pull the slate out and put it in the 18g tank it's sitting in with a sponge filter and hope for better results !
bizaliz3 how's your angel looking? Mines looking nice and full of eggs but no ones started cleaning any surfaces yet !
 

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Just picked up this 1Gal container that I'll be able to sit my eggs in with an air stone dosed with meth blue until they start to wriggle! I'll then just pull the slate out and put it in the 18g tank it's sitting in with a sponge filter and hope for better results !
bizaliz3 how's your angel looking? Mines looking nice and full of eggs but no ones started cleaning any surfaces yet !
My female looks very close to laying her eggs. I am expecting eggs in the next couple days for sure!!!

I might give the parents one more chance to do it themselves before I intervene. I do have the meth blue now though....so if I want to give it a try....maybe I should and we can do it together :) I would have to do it in a 5 gallon. Although, I might take your idea and just get a 1 gallon container. We'll see.

How did you go about moving the eggs last time? did they get any air in the move? or did they stay submerged the whole way? How should I do it?
 

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I am still following. Come on EGGS. Alison
 
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My female looks very close to laying her eggs. I am expecting eggs in the next couple days for sure!!!

I might give the parents one more chance to do it themselves before I intervene. I do have the meth blue now though....so if I want to give it a try....maybe I should and we can do it together :) I would have to do it in a 5 gallon. Although, I might take your idea and just get a 1 gallon container. We'll see.

How did you go about moving the eggs last time? did they get any air in the move? or did they stay submerged the whole way? How should I do it?
Well, mine all died, so I may not be the best person to ask!! I just picked the slate out and put it into a new tank filled with the tank water. There was air contact for a few seconds maximum. I'll be keeping them submerged this time, though
 

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Well, mine all died, so I may not be the best person to ask!! I just picked the slate out and put it into a new tank filled with the tank water. There was air contact for a few seconds maximum. I'll be keeping them submerged this time, though
I want to move the eggs with you!! But I don't know if I am ready yet! I just think it would be so fun to do it together at the same time and watch the similarities or the differences!!

As I said, I was going to let mom and dad have one more try with the eggs...BUT if it does turn out that our females lay their eggs on the same exact day...I think I want to try and move the eggs and raise them myself just like you are. :)
 
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I want to move the eggs with you!! But I don't know if I am ready yet! I just think it would be so fun to do it together at the same time and watch the similarities or the differences!!

As I said, I was going to let mom and dad have one more try with the eggs...BUT if it does turn out that our females lay their eggs on the same exact day...I think I want to try and move the eggs and raise them myself just like you are. :)
I think the key word here is try!! But yet that would be cool! Learn from eachothers mistakes
 

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I wiped out quite a few spawns long ago figuring how to get it right. Plenty of folks hatch in a gallon jar, moving the fry to a tank a day or 2 after they become swimmers. They sell jar size sponge filter setups, pretty neat thing, it sits on the bottom, one large round sheet.

I put a small sponge filter in once they're swimmers, I keep them cycled in stocked tanks. It's no big deal if air hits the eggs, as long as they don't dry out. The fungus you see is secondary to a bacterial problem, very much like columnaris. If you can beat the bacteria you'll have little to no fungus, and a good hatch rate.
 

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MarkN1990 said:
I think the key word here is try!! But yet that would be cool! Learn from eachothers mistakes
My eggs have been laid. How about you?

I've decided to give the parents another shot with the eggs this time around...
 
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My eggs have been laid. How about you?

I've decided to give the parents another shot with the eggs this time around...
Congrats!! Nothing yet my end. She's defo full up just need to find the slate! I'm actually away this weekend leaving in an hour or so. Just did a nice warm water change and chucked in a couple cubes of blood worms so I'll either come back to eggs or eaten eggs!

Are your angels in a community tank ?
 

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Congrats!! Nothing yet my end. She's defo full up just need to find the slate! I'm actually away this weekend leaving in an hour or so. Just did a nice warm water change and chucked in a couple cubes of blood worms so I'll either come back to eggs or eaten eggs!

Are your angels in a community tank ?
Mine started out in a community tank. But their last couple tries have been in a tank by themselves. I tried to give slate to both of my angel pairs. The only thing either pair ever used is the filter intake or a broad leaf. Lol
 
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Mine started out in a community tank. But their last couple tries have been in a tank by themselves. I tried to give slate to both of my angel pairs. The only thing either pair ever used is the filter intake or a broad leaf. Lol
I have eggs!! Not many though really. Going to leave them in the community tank whilst the light is on, they seem to do a good job of protecting them! I'll take them out this evening and into the 1 gal with an air stone and meth blue. See if I have any more luck!

How are yours getting on?

Oh and they laid on the slate again

@bizaliz3 well worth looking at this !

https://www.reef2rainforest.com/2014/01/03/angelmania-lee-gordons-angelfish-rearing-videos/
 

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MarkN1990 said:
Wow....so much information! I Skimmed through it a bit but I'm going to have to take more time to see it all! Thanks for showing me :) it seems much more complicated though. Definitely more geared towards commercial breeding, at least from what I saw...

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I have eggs!! Not many though really. Going to leave them in the community tank whilst the light is on, they seem to do a good job of protecting them! I'll take them out this evening and into the 1 gal with an air stone and meth blue. See if I have any more luck!

How are yours getting on?

Oh and they laid on the slate again
Well... I planned to let the parents do the work again and get more practice. But after 24 hours too many eggs were gone and I decided I was going to move them. Right now they're in a 5 gallon tank with methylene blue and a bubbler and a heater..... there are approximately 40 good eggs..... and I'm definitely okay with a spawn that size. In fact I prefer more like 20 :)

So are you thinking yours were laid yesterday at some point?
 
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Well... I planned to let the parents do the work again and get more practice. But after 24 hours too many eggs were gone and I decided I was going to move them. Right now they're in a 5 gallon tank with methylene blue and a bubbler and a heater..... there are approximately 40 good eggs..... and I'm definitely okay with a spawn that size. In fact I prefer more like 20 :)

So are you thinking yours were laid yesterday at some point?
Turns out they were still laying when I got home, caught them in the act! Much more eggs now, too many so I'm hoping they don't all hatch haha. I'm going to do a 100% water change after 24 hours, putting them into a new 1 gallon and halving the dose of meth blue. I did dechlorinate the water for the first 24 hours because they didn't in that link I sent! Will get prime in the next one though. So how far in are you now? A couple of days ahead of me ?

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Wow....so much information! I Skimmed through it a bit but I'm going to have to take more time to see it all! Thanks for showing me :) it seems much more complicated though. Definitely more geared towards commercial breeding, at least from what I saw...
Yeh agreed, but some good ideas anyway
 

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Turns out they were still laying when I got home, caught them in the act! Much more eggs now, too many so I'm hoping they don't all hatch haha. I'm going to do a 100% water change after 24 hours, putting them into a new 1 gallon and halving the dose of meth blue. I did dechlorinate the water for the first 24 hours because they didn't in that link I sent! Will get prime in the next one though. So how far in are you now? A couple of days ahead of me ?
Mine were laid Friday evening. I moved them Saturday evening. It's been about 42 hours total....

Here's a current pic. The eggs were on a plant that was too tall for the 5 gallon so i had a hard time getting it situated properly. Sorry for the glares. I'm counting about 42 good eggs?



Here's also a zoomed out picture of the whole setup



Edit... here they were when I first moved them. There were about 50 good eggs at that point.. for the record two eggs have fallen off onto one of the lower leaves since I took this picture... they are still good eggs that have not turned white. So I guess that means I have about 44 at the moment
 
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Ahh looks great! I actually have a lot of eggs looking at them now haha!

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I've got them in a 1 gal container with meth blue. I spilt one drop of the stuff into the tank so now all of the water is blue ! Will see how things progress. Going to 100% water change every 24 hours and dose with meth blue each time. Make sure you keep me updated !

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I'm starting to see my first Wigglers! My eggs have officially begun to hatch :)
 
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