Amano or Red cherry shrimp

eligri

Hi!

I'm selling off a bunch of my shrimp. How can I tell the difference between the Amano shrimp I have, and the Red cherry shrimp who have become their more "natural" transparent color?
(Juvenile Amano vs. red cherry, so no size difference).
And, can Amano shrimp breed in a freshwater tank? Only had a few in the beginning with also a bunch of cherry shrimp, so not sure which, or if both, have been breeding?

Thanks!
 

Chanyi

Not sure how to exactly tell them apart, but Amano shrimp will not breed in freshwater.
 
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sinned4g63

You might be able to pick out the Amanos by the dots/lines on their sides. I'm not sure at what age they would start to develop as I've never dealt with juveniles but cherry shrimp don't get them so it would be an easy telltale.
 
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Fishproblem

Hi!

I'm selling off a bunch of my shrimp. How can I tell the difference between the Amano shrimp I have, and the Red cherry shrimp who have become their more "natural" transparent color?
(Juvenile Amano vs. red cherry, so no size difference).
And, can Amano shrimp breed in a freshwater tank? Only had a few in the beginning with also a bunch of cherry shrimp, so not sure which, or if both, have been breeding?

Thanks!
Amano shrimp have pretty distinct markings compared to even low grade RCS. I think the most obvious is that they have dark brown/black spots laterally down their sides that low grade cherries won't.

Amanos won't breed in freshwater and are notoriously difficult to breed. The eggs must hatch in brackish water, and then the salinity must decrease over time as they grow. In the wild, the shrimp lay their eggs downstream in brackish environments and the newly hatched shrimplets slowly make their way upstream to freshwater. it's so far been necessary to replicate this process for captive breeding, which gets complicated, and the amount of fry to survive are rarely worth the effort. I do know someone who has done it though!
 
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eligri

So Amano won't breed at all in just regular tapwater?
Here is a picture of some of my shrimp. Are they all red cherry?
 

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Fishproblem

So Amano won't breed at all in just regular tapwater?
Here is a picture of some of my shrimp. Are they all red cherry?
Nope! You'll definitely see berried females looking after eggs, but they won't be viable in freshwater.

Those shrimp don't even look like low grade cherries to me, they look much more like the wild form.

How long have you had the Amano shrimp that they're so small?
 
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eligri

Nope! You'll definitely see berried females looking after eggs, but they won't be viable in freshwater.

Those shrimp don't even look like low grade cherries to me, they look much more like the wild form.

How long have you had the Amano shrimp that they're so small?
Honestly, my guess is they are all Red Cherry except for the few large Amano then.
Received a batch of shrimp a couple months back, so they should have become larger.

I do however have a few wicked looking black "red" cherry shrimp that have appeared. Some fully black, some with black patches.
Been thinking about selling the shrimp that have the wild look, or very minimal red/black patches. Maybe that is a bad idea if I want to breed more of those black shrimp? Or are they better left to breed alone? So far I have maybe 3-5 fully black shrimp, and a bunch of shrimp with black spots/areas (rest of the body being transparent).

What is a usual price for wild shrimp like this; pennies?

EDIT: Looks exactly like this one I found:
https://www.myfishtank.net/forum/attachments/black_shrimp5-jpg.10533/

Black with dark white stripe down the back.
 
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Fishproblem

Honestly, my guess is they are all Red Cherry except for the few large Amano then.
Received a batch of shrimp a couple months back, so they should have become larger.

I do however have a few wicked looking black "red" cherry shrimp that have appeared. Some fully black, some with black patches.
Been thinking about selling the shrimp that have the wild look, or very minimal red/black patches. Maybe that is a bad idea if I want to breed more of those black shrimp? Or are they better left to breed alone? So far I have maybe 3-5 fully black shrimp, and a bunch of shrimp with black spots/areas (rest of the body being transparent).

What is a usual price for wild shrimp like this; pennies?

EDIT: Looks exactly like this one I found:
https://www.myfishtank.net/forum/attachments/black_shrimp5-jpg.10533/

Black with dark white stripe down the back.
If there are a few shrimp that are significantly larger, then yeah those are your amanos.

If you have enough space, I'd separate the blacks in their own tank to breed them. Those are really cool, and the color would call for a higher price tag than red neocaridina. You have to separate them and make sure you cull the "bad" ones to ensure the color line breeds true.

Not sure about price for the wilds. I paid like $20 for my first dozen low grade RCS, which were still light red. Maybe 2/3s or that would be reasonable?
 
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ProudPapa

. . . What is a usual price for wild shrimp like this; pennies?

It's not quite that bad. I get $10.00 per dozen for my culls.
 
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eligri

Put up an ad selling the culls for 0.6$ ea, got quite a few buyers. Seems reasonable price, or way to low?
Is it a bad idea selling culls if they seem to be producing these black shrimp, or will pretty much all rcs have the possibility to do so in large numbers?
 
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Fishproblem

richiep , I'm sending up a shrimp signal! eligri and I were musing over this on in the DMs, but I'm just a shrimp shishya. Do you have any idea what this morph of neocaridina would be called? It looks like a black rose to me, but I've never seen them with the "painted" back.

Looks exactly like this one I found:
https://www.myfishtank.net/forum/attachments/black_shrimp5-jpg.10533/

Black with dark white stripe down the back.

Also considering the evergreen question of "how much is my stock worth?" Do you feel .60 culls are worth the price to the seller?
 
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richiep

I do sell way under market price
Even my good grade cherry i only sell for 80cents each so its up to you and the buyer,
As for the shrimp have you got a side photo but it could be a chocolate neocaradina but the photo dosnt do it justice
 
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Fishproblem

I do sell way under market price
Even my good grade cherry i only sell for 80cents each so its up to you and the buyer,
As for the shrimp have you got a side photo but it could be a chocolate neocaradina but the photo dosnt do it justice
Is that GBP or USD? If you're talking sterling, that's about 1.10 here.
 
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richiep

I worked out sterling £1 =1.33$ but don't go on my prices have a look at the going rate with you
 
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eligri

So even good grade culls 1$ isn't way to low?
I'll try to get some nice pics tomorrow
 
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eligri

Failed to get a nice photo today, I'll try again during the weekend
 
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eligri

Still haven't been able to get a pic, but found this old one I had of one of them
richiep Fishproblem

It's like a dark painted brown/black, with a beige/white stripe down the back.
 

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richiep

Thats a female cherry but can't tell the true colour
 
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eligri

Thats a female cherry but can't tell the true colour
It's like dark brown/black. The stripe is pretty much beige/light beige.
It's a solid color, no transparent spots. Have maybe 2-3 out of the 200+ that look like that. Rest can be mostly black, but might have like transparent legs or a transparent spot. And vast majority are just wild color.

Are these shrimp worth anything, or just another 1$ cherry shrimp?
 
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richiep

To me $1 but over there black $3 when you sell post a true picture the response you get will tell you what they are worth
 
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eligri

To me $1 but over there black $3 when you sell post a true picture the response you get will tell you what they are worth
Going to keep the black ones I think, just sell those culls for a buck a pop ^^

Thanks a lot for the tips!
 
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