Am I About To Get Babies?(blue Acara Breeding Behavior) Question

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  1. Riuqlav

    RiuqlavNew MemberMember

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    Hi everyone, I adopted these two 10 cm (4"), and 8 cm(3") Electric Blue Acaras from a guy online that said:
    "-They are 1 year and something".

    I want to know if I really got a male and a female, and if they are about to breed I'd love to have some babies;

    I got the two that were together apparently protecting a corner of their old tank, imagining that could improve my chances of a pair.

    They were hurt on the head and with the fins damaged and living with 5 more in a much smaller tank.

    Now I have them for 2 weeks and they are healing and flagging, vibrating to each other also kissing and rubbing on the rocks(mostly the bigger one), the smaller has this white tube outside, and both are constantly pulling my plants up...

    I recorded a little of the behaviour.

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/qsj3WAtMBN6JLzG7A

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/9q9wTn8gbz725DqT7


    Sorry for the quality of the videos, but they come to the front glass and stop doing it if I approach the tank too close.


    Thank you in advance!
     
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    Female is on left at end of first video and male on right .
    She has not colored up yet but her ovipositor is out and clearly larger then the males ..
    Eggs today or tomorrow..
    I am interested what goes down with the tiger barbs...They get the eggs or they get whipped !
    Welcome !
     
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    The barbs are quite scared of them, I have an emergency tank in case things go crazy, I want babies but not +50 of them.

    Do you think she doesn't colored up yet because she's young? They are quite small, I honestly have no idea if they are young or stunted.

    Thanks for the answer!
     
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    @Riuqlav Get ready!
    Agree with @coralbandit
    I call that the spastic shimmy breeding dance. Once they pick an area/spot they are fierce protectors no matter the size of the other fish. And will re-arrange the tank. LOL
    Will be watching!
    Good Luck!
     
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    Coloring up is really funny with EBA,.
    The male stays the same and female gets white/black head.
    Other then that the breeding tube is best guide.
    Watching second video they may have laid eggs already ..
     
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    Thanks a lot!

    It's confirmed! I went out when I am back I see the male keeping all the barbs in the corner and the female waving the rock full of eggs.

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/fUvfdvJ9T3daNkqZ9

    Now I have to figure out how to raise them...

    Because I am already on making DIY protein food, a emergency tank and now with babies, if I build a brine shrimp hatchery my wife is gonna kill me lol

    Is that another kind of food that I can give them?
     
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    They should be able to eat dry like Hikari first bites IMO. Some stores have frozen BBS..They would be fine for these guys ..
    They grow fast IMO and can be completely on dry food easy in 2 weeks ..Just grind up so it is like dust..
    That is a good amount of eggs ..I guess like 400 give or take ..
    I am rooting for the acara,as I am no tiger fan !
     
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    It's wierd they were fine, now they are fighting like crazy, they even leave the eggs alone to attack each other.

    Help don't know what to do
     
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    Welcome to fish breeding !
    I believe @jmaldo separates his pair after breeding ..
    I let mine go and they usually work it out ..
    First time pairs have a lot of learning to do ..Not all is easy or fun for them ..
    But this sounds like they are just being normal EBA so far ..
     
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    LoL

    That's quite crazy, the problem is that fighting like that let their nest alone I had to scare the crayfish out of the eggs myself cuz they were occupied fighting each other, look like the male claimed the nest now.

    Do you think I should take one of them out for them to focus on the nest?
     

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    With other fish and a cray fry stand little chance IMO ..Separating may help ? With other fish it is only a matter of time [nature in motion] ..
    When I want fry I put them in a separate tank ..
    Raising fry can be hard enough without extra difficulties ?
     
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    True! But at this point could I take the rock as it is and put in a new tank to wait or that would demand one of the parents to take care of the fry?
     
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    You can artificially hatch in a separate tank or container ..
    You could move the eggs and the male also if you had a tank ..
    No method is guaranteed but experience is only gained by trying ..
     
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    Congrats! On the eggs.
    @coralbandit is correct, my male goes nuts on the female once the wigglers start swimming so I have to separate. Both are "Good" parents, so I rotate them from spawn to spawn. I feed my swimmers freshly hatched Brine shrimp then start mixing in Golden Pearls. I did try the "Ocean Nutrition" Instant BBS with my last spawn they did eat it..
    https://www.amazon.com/Ocean-Nutrit...54H7M6EFZ8T&psc=1&refRID=XN2KNBXF854H7M6EFZ8T

    I have taken eggs and wigglers from the parents to try my hand at raising them. I was successful with the method @coralbandit uses. He has been my "Guru".
    I started a thread when I got the pair from him it has a lot of good info: Take a Look.
    Jmaldo's Breeding Journey

    Good Luck!
     
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    I accidentally bought baby brine shrimp. It's like pink sand would be perfect for really small babies.Big fish not so much....
     
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    My adult rams ,angels ,swordtails and even discus eat live BBS daily in my fish room !
    I have 3 hatchers running all the time so I offer the fish I want the most from ..Breeders and fry benefit greatly from fresh BBS..
    Most fish need to learn what they are ..Mine know they love them already since day one !
     
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    Mine was frozen but the fish swam around like they could smell the food but couldn't find it! My Embers ate some though.
     
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    Thanks a lot for the help!
    I gonna read that, I put a plastic cover between the male and female while I don't setup the new tank, they are still staring each other down but at least is through the plastic and nothing can come to eat the eggs while they do it.

    Here's the divisor: https://photos.app.goo.gl/kFHRGo94pMfp19mH7

    But I don't know, which one do you think is better to let taking care of the eggs?
     
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    Update on the EBA!

    *Update*
    So each time I looked the rock there were less, and less eggs, also I saw the female grabbing mouths full of eggs once in a while, I just accepted I did lost the batch

    Then today back from work, I saw the rock almost empty the tank oddly re-escaped and in a hole, a bunch of tiny wigglers!

    The wigglers are hard to see but here's a video of her dropping the eggs on the hole!

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/L1ttvVbz4aVfUsr77


    Also I got a new test kit today, JBL 6 in 1, and according to it my water is:
    100 NO³, 8 of pH, 21ppm of hardness, and around 15 to 20 KH

    Since the NO³ from my tap came out between 25-50 I presume the test might be over reacting a bit

    I just moved from Brazil to France so I don't know if the new test is crazy, or the water in Paris is that absurd and the fish can stand because are locally breed...What do you guys think?
     
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    Your water could be 100?
    I know most say 40 should be max but fish can and do live and breed in higher.
    You should see free swimming fry maybe tomorrow?
     








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