Almost Got Another Oscar

BettasAndAnOscar

As some of you know, I have a 75 gallon tank with my rescue oscar, Mr. Wiggles.

The picture is dark, but you can see how much space my 10-inch (not including tail) Oscar takes up. Quite a bit.


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Anyway, I was at my favorite mom-and-pop fish store, looking for some supplies for my betta fry. I bought a fusion 300 air pump, a sponge filter, and a good size bottle of Beta Brine.

The dude that's always there (whom I know well and trust very much) rang me up. He added up the price tags, and it totaled a little over thirty dollars. He only charged me twenty-five.

I've never had to pay full price at the store. When I walked up with a test kit priced at thirteen dollars, and handed him thirteen, he gave me a few dollars back.

This dude has also given me advice that cancelled a sale. I was about to buy a bristlenose pleco, when he informed me that they carry a different kind of bristlenose that gets up to 18 inches. He has also given me lots of advice about wild bettas.

I trust him very much to give good advice. You know it's a nice store if they don't keep their bettas in cups. All bettas are in 10-gal communities, or in suction-on things in the 10-gals.

Anyway, when I was in the store yesterday, they had two oscars in a 30 gallon. Of course, it's better than PetCo, so it didn't anger me. They cleaned it daily.

The oscars were both tiger, although one of them looked a little more wild-type. There was a large one about the size of Wiggles, and one that was probably four inches. After watching them and complimenting the little guy's gorgeous olive pattern, they began to fight.

They lip locked, nipped each other's sides, and we're very violent. The other owner, who I'm not familiar with, told the other guy, "Move 'em! Put the little guy into the 10-gal on the left before they break each other's jaws off!"

They then got nets and put the little guy in a bucket. It was then that they guy I know well noticed me watching.

"Gorgeous fish. Wish they didn't get so big and poop so much. Pretty little guy," I said.

The dude said, "You have an oscar, get him a tankmate! I'll give you the little guy at cost, $15 bucks."

I informed him that my tank was only 75 gallons, and I thought a pair of oscars needed at least 125 gallons.

He actually laughed out loud.
"Heck no! Two oscars in a 75 is drastically under stocked. I kept more'n twelve in that 70 over there with the pacu. I can't believe your 75 only has one!"

Mom liked the fish. Neither of us wanted to see him go in the 10 gal.
"I'll buy you the oscar. It'll be your 8th grade graduation present! I trust the fish store guy knows what he's talking about."

In front of the fish store guy, I couldn't explain to her that a store stocks tanks based on how many fish will physically fit into the tank, not based on bio load and quality of life. Still, I really wanted the Oscar. It was then that I began to question everything is heard on fishlore. But the moment didn't last long.

"Mom, oscars poop a LOT. I siphon Wiggie's tank and change 5 gallons every day. That equals almost a 50% change weekly."

"So, change 10 gallons a day. Problem solved."

But then I thought about fishlore. I remembered a dude with three oscars in a 75 was called abusive. Would two be any different?

I didn't get the fish, mainly because they decided they could use him to cycle their 125 gallon.

But really... If I changed 10 gallons a day, could I have two? I'm very consistent on water changes, mainly because I'm 13 and don't have a job or any major responsibilities, besides taking care of my seven aquariums.

Later that day, I asked my mom what we would've done when the little guy grew up. She said, "I would've bought him that 125 you said they needed."

Well, if I would've known that...

"Mom, there's a 125 on Craigslist, full setup with a pretty decent sump for $300. We could go half-and-half, if you want an Oscar. Wiggles and your Oscar could live in the 125 together, and I'd do all the maintenance.

"Eww, used tanks are gross. I'd just buy a new one like I did with the 75."

Well, I would've gotten the fish if she had said that earlier.

Anyway, with a 10 gal WC every day... Could I have two in the 75? I just feel so bad with Wiggs swimming back and forth, seemingly pacing.

Thanks, and sorry for the long read!




6 bettas, 1 Oscar, 1 marble peacock cichlid, various live bearers, shrimp and snails
 

LiterallyHydro

I would only put the two in a 75 if you know that the 125 gallon tank is going to come fairly soon. You wouldn't want to keep them in a 75 for a long period of time.

And good on your though for resisting temptation and instead focusing on what the fish need rather than what you want. By the way, in a 75 it's not only the bio-load you have to watch out for, it's also just their sheer size.
 

TankMaster25

Nice to know that there are other kids on this forum and that I'm not the only one.
 

Joshua Drake

I've noticed quite a few. Fish keeping attracts a very wide demographic. My son will be a very young hobbyist too I'd wager

You did a very good thing, OP, and you have the coolest mother ever. Take care of that one.
 

biller

Nice to know that there are other kids on this forum and that I'm not the only one.

I'm only 15.

It's hard to resist the urge to buy fish

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MtnTiger

Congratulation on your decision, very mature one that I doubt I would have made at your age.
 

LiterallyHydro

I'm only 15.

It's hard to resist the urge to buy fish

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You're 15? I would have never guessed. You're really mature for your age.
 

biller

You're 15? I would have never guessed. You're really mature for your age.
Thanks

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But BettasAndAnOscar is way more mature than I am from the sound of things. At 13 I would have not cared or known to not over stock

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LiterallyHydro

Even though I'm just 19 myself, I've lost a lot of faith in kids over the last few years. A lot of the younger folks here on fishlore bring back some of that hope. I would never expect half the people my age to write a post as clean as the OP's first post, let alone someone at 13.
 

biller

Faith in humanity restored...

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tejas

At 13 u seem to have a lot of knowledge on fish keeping, I'm 16 and still ignorant on a lot of stuff
 

Thomas Lin

Fish keeping just isn't a thing for minors right now.
It's hard for them to believe it is even a hobby.


 

biller

Fish keeping just isn't a thing for minors right now.
It's hard for them to believe it is even a hobby.

It's not a hobby... It's a lifestyle.

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FishInferno

I am only in high school

Ive been there, buddy. Resisting the urge to buy a pretty fish is hard, even when you know the fish won;t be happy in your tank, and you made the right decision.

I think that most kids have a goldfish in a bowl at some point, but very few probably consider fishkeeping as a hobby.

EDIT: wait you are only 13 and you breed bettas? Kudos to you sir!
 

LiterallyHydro

Now I feel old... And I'm not even 20 yet!
 

AquaticBrandon

AquaticBrandon is also a minor. <16 years old.

I'm 15, turning 16 in December
Nice knowing there's a few young hobbyist here!


 

biller

I'm 15 turning 16 in July.

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Gena

I'm 20 years old. =P

It's a lot harder when you can drive. The ability to get fish is there. A moment of weakness and I find myself in the car and suddenly I'm in front of the fish store like, "Hmmm, me thinks this is not such a good idea.."
 

Cacret

My parents trust me but I'm not allowed to say my full name , address and age and school its like how almost everyone at my school has facebook and twitter

PS it seems like a discussion about an oscar became an age discussion lol
 

biller

Hahahah, yup seems so.

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BettasAndAnOscar

I am only 14

Ive been there, buddy. Resisting the urge to buy a pretty fish is hard, even when you know the fish won;t be happy in your tank, and you made the right decision.

I think that most kids have a goldfish in a bowl at some point, but very few probably consider fishkeeping as a hobby.

EDIT: wait you are only 13 and you breed bettas? Kudos to you sir!

I'm proud to say that my first goldfish were two fan tails in a 60 gallon

Yeah, breeding bettas can be a lot of work. I have my own breeding style, a cross between American and ThaI betta breeding. I use smaller containers, keep the water at 83 degrees, and don't do lengthy or stressful introductions. The fish get in, do their business, and the female gets out. Works like a charm.

Also, I'm a miss, not a sir


6 bettas, 1 Oscar, 1 marble peacock cichlid, various live bearers, shrimp and snails
 

FishInferno

Oops, sorry about that, my mistake


 

Gena

I never had a goldfish in a bowl but I did have a molly in a bowl when I was four. She was moved into her own 10 gallon eventually. Her name was Black Shell(interesting name, eh?) and she died when I was seven.


 

BornThisWayBettas

Haha, I'm under 18, but I don't ever give my exact age out lol! Besides, just cuz' I'm under 18 and everyone calls me a minor doesn't mean I'm really "minor" in any way! So yeah, you guys are all very mature for your ages, I'm impressed! Still rockin' the teen years here!!!

Wow, everyone's so young on here.......
 

Cacret

And yet we're capable of so many things...like how one comment can change the whole thread from an Oscar discussion to a age discussion lol
 

BornThisWayBettas

I think it's quite interesting! Man, I'm starting to feel old...... lol.
 

KarenLM

Wow, everyone's so young on here.......

Not everyone, but we old timers are just keeping our mouths shut!

Enjoy your youth - live every day!
 

Cacret

I just realized a lot if people at their 20's, teen years or tween years are very active
 

Bluestreakfl

I'm impressed to see so many young folks wise beyond their years. Kudos to you all for being so intelligent, wise, and responsible for your ages. To the OP, good on you for showing the self restraint to make the right decision!


 

BornThisWayBettas

Ah...... the tween years! Life was so easy back then...... Now everything is so darn complicated lol! And all the "old timers" have proven themselves to be young at heart, forever wild, free, and young!
 

LiterallyHydro

I just realized a lot if people at their 20's, teen years or tween years are very active


It's because we have nothing better to do ;D And there's nothing wrong with being helpful to others.
 

Joshua Drake

Ah...... the tween years! Life was so easy back then...... Now everything is so darn complicated lol! And all the "old timers" have proven themselves to be young at heart, forever wild, free, and young!
Complicated? You just wait ;-) If I could be 16 again....jeez if I could be 21 again that would be good for me (turning 30 next month)
 

BornThisWayBettas

Complicated? You just wait ;-) If I could be 16 again....jeez if I could be 21 again that would be good for me (turning 30 next month)
Being a teenager is hard enough, you're telling me it's gonna get harder in my late twenties?!?!
 

Castiel*

Shh with time they will learn! Just kidding I'm only 23!
 

BornThisWayBettas

Maybe when I hit 21 I'll just decide to stop aging lol!
 

Joshua Drake

I'm telling you it's only going to get harder and harder. Enjoy it while you're young ;-) quite literally the best years of your life, it only goes downhill. With freedoms come responsibility. Granted, you can work harder now and have an easier time as an adult, but I'd still say that college years are a lot easier and there are a lot less pressure than being an adult, especially working class.
 

BornThisWayBettas

Oh no.......
 

Drewster

Holy crow, OP has some serious lingo skills. I feel old at 24 ha. Awesome to see younger people with such a informative knowledge of the hobby
 

KarenLM

I'm telling you it's only going to get harder and harder. Enjoy it while you're young ;-) quite literally the best years of your life, it only goes downhill. With freedoms come responsibility. Granted, you can work harder now and have an easier time as an adult, but I'd still say that college years are a lot easier and there are a lot less pressure than being an adult, especially working class.

We optimists enjoy every stage of life - it can always get better.

I am having the time of my life now and I'm north of 50!
 

Joshua Drake

Aww I don't mean to sound pessimistic, but life was certainly easier when who's dating who and how am I going to do on my test was the only stress in life ;-) now there's x amount of bills, home and vehicle maintenance, keeping up with my job, talking care of my 3 year old. All good things but I don't want to say that it isn't stressful
 

KarenLM

Aww I don't mean to sound pessimistic, but life was certainly easier when who's dating who and how am I going to do on my test was the only stress in life ;-) now there's x amount of bills, home and vehicle maintenance, keeping up with my job, talking care of my 3 year old. All good things but I don't want to say that it isn't stressful

Make sure you enjoy your little 3 year old - they grow up so fast.
 

BettasAndAnOscar

Holy crow, OP has some serious lingo skills. I feel old at 24 ha. Awesome to see younger people with such a informative knowledge of the hobby

Aww, thank you. I just come from a family of animal lovers. My mom has a rule that I'm allowed to have unlimited pets, as long as I take the best care possible of all of them.


6 bettas, 1 Oscar, 1 marble peacock cichlid, various live bearers, shrimp and snails
 

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