African Dwarf Frog Gender?

unfortunately the second frog is starting to look a tiny bit tattered.. the third frog looks very healthy and eats like a pig, I'm very enamored with her and her funny personality (I believe shes a girl) and I have to say ive gotten attached. if I separate them would it give her a better chance?..

 

Immune system robustness is going to come into play. Your other frog might be about to do a normal shed, or it could be becoming acute.

Do you have space to continue the quarantine procedure correctly for two frogs?

 

Immune system robustness is going to come into play. Your other frog might be about to do a normal shed, or it could be becoming acute.

Do you have space to continue the quarantine procedure correctly for two frogs?

I was thinking maybe they could take their baths together, and then keep them in separate clean containers afterwords? or would that be pointless? theyre in their pedialyte bath right now and I have two containers set up for them when its finished.

 

If you're going to separate them, then do it 100%. Treat the healthier looking. Put her up. Clean out your kit, being sure to rinse well. Do the second.

Or ... do one in the morning and one in the afternoon, to make it less labor intensive.

 

If you're going to separate them, then do it 100%. Treat the healthier looking. Put her up. Clean out your kit, being sure to rinse well. Do the second.

Or ... do one in the morning and one in the afternoon, to make it less labor intensive.

do you think doing this will give her a better chance?

 

do you think doing this will give her a better chance?

You have, what, three more days of treatment?

Hard call. If one of the frogs is actively showing signs of a breakout infection more than halfway through treatment, then it may be shedding spores. (I don't know for sure. I need to review the life cycle of chytrid.) If that's the case then isolation would be the safe bet. It could be a poor shed do to stress.

Do what you are most comfortable with.

Lucy what are your thoughts?

 

I'm so sorry about your frog.

It's been a while since I read the instructions for lamisil baths but if I recall correctly shedding/tattered shed isn't uncommon during treatment.

maggie thecat has been a great guide in this thread. I'd agree with her.
Since the frogs have been together this whole time if one is infected the other would be as well so do whichever way is easier for you.

Good luck..we'll keep sending good froggy thoughts your way.

 

if I don't feel theyre better, can I continue the treatment past 10 days?

 

I can tell hes so uncomfortable, he keeps swimming back and forth.. I feel terrible for him.. every time I try to talk to my boyfriend he acts like it doesn't matter and ignores me. I'm so upset about it. I don't know what to do.

 

I don't know. I don't see why not other than the medication may become a source of iritation and thus keep the skin from healing. Sometimes these things are a balancing act.

I would do a thread / web search on continued treatment and see if there is a consensus of advice.

I know this is rough. I am sorry you are going through this.

 

Update: I did some reading around. Note: this is not a comprehensive literature review.

I did find one mention that Lamisil treatment can depress a frog's immune system, leaving it vulnerable to secondary infection. So there is a reason to stay with a 10 day treatment plan.

 

his skin looks much better today, hopefully it was just stress or the treatment. thank you for helping me

 

his skin looks much better today, hopefully it was just stress or the treatment. thank you for helping me

Glad to be of service!

 

they both have a very dark color to them now. sometimes frog #2 has a tiny piece of skin hanging off somewhere on his body. I found a huge piece of skin in frog #3 tub, is that a good sign? he never has had any tattered skin. they both eat good and aren't floating constantly anymore. today was day 10 of treatment, I should stop treating them now, right?

 

You should indeed stop the treatment. Make sure to keep the water pristine and feed a nutritious diet of frozen foods. And give them time to relax into their new home.

 

so you think I should put them together now? ive had them separated. I believe frog #3 is in better shape then #2.

 

I don't see any reason not to move them both to their permanent home.

BUT ...

You are the best judge of your frogs. If you think one needs a few more days of TLC and extra attention, then that is what you should do.

Best of luck going forward.

 

also I'm a little curious about feeding them. I feed them mostly frozen thawed bloodworms because its easy and they seem to like it most, and I alternate some days with carnivore sinking pellets crushed up. how many worms should I be feeding them? seems like theyll eat as many as I give. don't want to overfeed

 

That's a valid concern, because they can be piglets. Frogs aren't any different from fish, in that you want them to eat just enough, but not too much. A quarter or an eighth of a cube, depending on the size, for two frogs, might be right. Or it may be a shade much.

I target feed to a plate, and I portion multiple thawed cubes out to multiple tanks, so it's, kind of something I do on autopilot these days. That's why a number isn't really jumping to hand.

I will say this though. You want to feed more than bloodworms and pellets. Throw some mosquito larva (glassworms) and brine shrimp in there on a regular basis as well. I also keep cherry shrimp in with mine, and they will supplement their diet with shrimplets.

Obviously, this isn't expensive foundation stock but shrimp originally culled from a different tank. But the colony is stable and thriving.

When I went through a live food phase, I would feed microworms and freshly hatched brine shrimp and they would hunt their food. They seemed to enjoy that.

I have read recently that beefheart is no longer recommended . It's very rich and can cause issues with fatty organs or somesuch over time.

 

I was setting up their permanent home when I realized little red worms swimming around! are these live bloodworms from my pond? is there anything else they could be? dangerous? should I dump water?

 

Midges have followed you into the house. The frogs will enjoy them. I know my goldfish and their neighbors in my pond do.

Some people farm them on purpose as a food source, or collect them from standing water. I think the risk of parasite transmission is pretty low, but everyone's risk tolerance is different.

 

so its safe to put them into the tank?

 

That is up to you.

But, yeah, I would. They aren't any different than the bloodworms you purchase frozen.

I mean if you wanted to be extra safe, collected them, bag them, and freeze them for 10 days.

 

I didnt want to risk it so I refilled it. hes doing a little pose for me


I was just wanted to say thank you so much. I think theyre going to be okay and I wouldnt have been able to do it without you guys. thank you.

 

Aw, cute!

 

how often should they be shedding their skin? my female was pale yesterday (scared me) but I could tell her whole body was about to peel
it took her all day to finally shed the skin (which I didnt get to see) I assume it was eaten because there was no skin in tank when I woke up but she has nice dark skin now. what I'm concerned about is I found a whole body shed in her tub 5 days ago. seems a little too often to shed?

 

They can shed often, especially while they are growing. As long as they darken up again afterwards, it's fine.

 

my frogs always shed once a week. it's fine. like maggie said, they're probably still growing, too. and man, they are super cute!!!!

 

I believe I have a male and female. I love them so much. my males little bumps behind his arms just came in, hes adorable.

I have them in a bare bottom tank for now and honestly, it is so much easier. I can get all up all the gunk during water change and I'm able to just drop the food in and they hunt the floor for it. I know theyll be “okay” with the bare floor, but will they be happy? would they prefer a substrate? I would much rather leave it this way if possible.

 

if it doesn't seem to bother them, they'll be fine! I tried bare bottom for a few days after having gravel for years. my frog didn't like it because of the light reflecting off of it. but if it works for you, it's fine they do look male and female.

 

I saw a really cool diy video on YouTube where a guy applied a thin layer of aquarium-safe adhesive on the bottom of his tank (it was dry), and then spread a thin layer of sand onto it. After the adhesive dried, he poured off the excess sand, and was left with a glued-in-place sand bottom that was thin and impervious. Looked very natural.
Seems like it would be a good fit for frogs, as long as the sand has no sharps.

 

that sounds cool. I think you could also do aquarium-safe tiles.

 

both frogs are now peeling. treatment did not work. hearts broken. going to give them lots of worms and love their last days.

 

oh no, what the heck ;;;;;; maybe they'll pull through?? i'm so sorry

 

I just reread this whole thread, I didn’t realize you were the op of this thread!

I’m so sorry you’ve had to go through this multiple times.

Are you going to try ADFs again after this? Hopefully these ones survive.

I’ve read that it was 10 squirts to 200ml of water instead of 400ml and that’s what I’ve been doing.

 

I would love to try them again after this. my local petsmart have stopped selling them because its out of control. I will have to take a trip.

 

Did you get them at petsmart? When I looked at our local petsmart they looked so pale and grey it was really sad.

 

yes I got mine from petsmart, its sad.
my frogs actually look fine now, they shed all their skin? I did a water change and cleaned it all up and everything seems fine but who knows.

 

It might have have just been leftover dead skin from the treatment, hopefully.

 

yes I got mine from petsmart, its sad.
my frogs actually look fine now, they shed all their skin? I did a water change and cleaned it all up and everything seems fine but who knows.

Sorry I haven't been around. I got sick.

So your frogs went through another shed, but are now all right? Or are they continuing to exhibit symptoms ?