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Hi so I have a community tank with one male and three female Bettas and no they don't fight the tank is big enough and the male is calm... So recently he had a nest and bred with one of the females in the community tank. The corys destroyed the nest and the black tetras ate the eggs.... So I thought I would put him in his own tank with the other female she has breeding stripes and is eggy... So because the other tank is smaller and she is more flighty they are not in together but both displaying and courting I put her in for short amount of time..she destroyed thetnest Being flighty as she is .. the thing is he is not rebuilding a nest ?? How often can males breed ?? Oh and yes I have room for fry and will give to good homes .... Any advice ??
 

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Did you condition? What's the breeding tank set up like? What live food do you have?
 
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Rtessy said:
Did you condition? What's the breeding tank set up like? What live food do you have?
They eat well all the time really they get live blood worms and black worms as well as pellets and . The tank is bare with his hammock leaf and some ornaments for hiding as well as an almond leaf.. . The female is in a tank next door where they can see eachother aswell as a little tank in his tank .for her . The water is all good and the temperature good I put the tank in a darkish calm corner ....
 

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Do you have breeding age fish in breeding condition? Do you have 100+ one gallon jarsfor the male fry? and a cycled ten gallon for the female fry? Do you realize that very few of the fry will find a good home for their possible 10 years of life?
 

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Blackworms are great, those are the best ones to use IME.
Can you take a pic of the breeding tank?
Also, do you have something floating for the male to build the nest around? Having something, like floating plants or even a styrofoam cup, can encourage him to build one.
And what live foods do you have lined up for the babies?

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Do you have breeding age fish in breeding condition? Do you have 100+ one gallon jarsfor the male fry? and a cycled ten gallon for the female fry? Do you realize that very few of the fry will find a good home for their possible 10 years of life?
10 years? I think 7 is the record, most only live 2-4. First spawns don't normally hit 100, and only 50-70% of the fry normally live. Most first timers end up with 30-60, which is more manageable, especially because only the males and a few females have to be separated out.
A heated room is normally required though, OP, did you mention that you could heat a room?
 

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You don’t really even have to separate males if they aren’t aggressive... I have 5 males in 1 tank right now and they’re all fine. Crazy, right?
 

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AbraCadaver said:
You don’t really even have to separate males if they aren’t aggressive... I have 5 males in 1 tank right now and they’re all fine. Crazy, right?
I was generalizing, I've got 20 males together in a 20 long. IMO, you should be prepared to separate the males + very aggressive females. Not that you necessarily have to, you just have to be prepared
 
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Rtessy said:
I was generalizing, I've got 20 males together in a 20 long. IMO, you should be prepared to separate the males + very aggressive females. Not that you necessarily have to, you just have to be prepared
I am ready to .... I have had happy community tanks for as long as I have had Betta fish and I do separate as a time out for the females as I find it works ... But the question was about the bubble nest ... But it's not needed now as I have found out they can mate without as they just have and weirdly the female started making the nest !!! He is putting the eggs in and I have taken her out now.... I'm assuming a big nest in the morning as he is working away
 

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I am ready to .... I have had happy community tanks for as long as I have had Betta fish and I do separate as a time out for the females as I find it works ... But the question was about the bubble nest ... But it's not needed now as I have found out they can mate without as they just have and weirdly the female started making the nest !!! He is putting the eggs in and I have taken her out now.... I'm assuming a big nest in the morning as he is working away
Nice! My male moved the eggs around a lot (6 nests in one day!) And left some behind, so the female made her own nest and gathered all the others, lol.
Better get those brine shrimp hatcheries going!!!
 
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Blackworms are great, those are the best ones to use IME.
Can you take a pic of the breeding tank?
Also, do you have something floating for the male to build the nest around? Having something, like floating plants or even a styrofoam cup, can encourage him to build one.
And what live foods do you have lined up for the babies?

So I have daphnia although I dislike the idea of it in the house ewww... . And hikari food just incase . She has been making the nest on the Betta hammock I'm assuming he will finish it overnight... I'm breeding as I am interested in the whole thing I love all my fish ! I would love to keep a male and maybe add some females to my big tank also they have been at it loads in the community tank and I do feel for them ...the tetras are ruthless !!
Thank you all for the advice and guidance.
I think more people should help eachother!!
I will keep updates. Fingers crossed . I have never successfully kept fry alive before. So the more advice the better !! ( Had fry hatch in community tank) again black tetras are hardcore
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Nice! My male moved the eggs around a lot (6 nests in one day!) And left some behind, so the female made her own nest and gathered all the others, lol.
Better get those brine shrimp hatcheries going!!!
I have a jar waiting .... As much on food would be great !! I kind of hate the idea of flea and and blood sucking thing !! So they lose eggs as they move the nest ?? Not really a bad thing I'm hoping not too many fry but am prepared for the lot lol also she is an older female . And I was wondering would she be ok to go back into the community tank or will it affect her . As she seems a bit agy atm
 

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Beebop said:
I have a jar waiting .... As much on food would be great !! I kind of hate the idea of flea and and blood sucking thing !! So they lose eggs as they move the nest ?? Not really a bad thing I'm hoping not too many fry but am prepared for the lot lol also she is an older female . And I was wondering would she be ok to go back into the community tank or will it affect her . As she seems a bit agy atm
Blood sucking thing? Sorry, I don't follow...
Most likely he won't move the eggs, I actually hadn't heard of them doing that, then suddenly my male started moving them about. I think he just didn't know what he was doing, lol.
If she looks healthy and is active, she should be able to be moved back
 

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Rtessy said:
I was generalizing, I've got 20 males together in a 20 long. IMO, you should be prepared to separate the males + very aggressive females. Not that you necessarily have to, you just have to be prepared
Oh that wasn’t pointed towards you. Someone said you needed hundreds of containers to separate all males and whatnot. I have males separated because they’re naughty. I’ve also only had luck breeding the naughty males. The good ones just swim around like, yeah put me back in my 60 gallon. This sucks
 

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AbraCadaver said:
Oh that wasn’t pointed towards you. Someone said you needed hundreds of containers to separate all males and whatnot. I have males separated because they’re naughty. I’ve also only had luck breeding the naughty males. The good ones just swim around like, yeah put me back in my 60 gallon. This sucks
I know, but tbh having a lot of containers should be common advice, as it's often the easiest way to separate out the males. Sure, 100 isn't always necessary, but it definitely can be.
And yeah, lol, I love seeing all the different betta personalities!
 

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I know, but tbh having a lot of containers should be common advice, as it's often the easiest way to separate out the males. Sure, 100 isn't always necessary, but it definitely can be.
And yeah, lol, I love seeing all the different betta personalities!
Oh yeah for sure, I always keep the containers I buy new Betta in and like moss balls or anything like that. I also have tons of vases, and 2 liter bottles.
Right now I have 5 Betta in vases until they poop. Constipation hit one of my females and she passed away very fast so I went ahead and separated any with bloated tummies to treat. Containers are a must have
 
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Ok so just an update ... He ate the eggs soon after and destroyed the nest... Maybe not a daddy to be ?? He is still young .. he such a gentleman.. thought he would be a great dad. I have only ever had one other male that was good in the community tank . At least I'm prepared if I do ever end up with babies . And I learnt that females make nest too !! Thank you all for the advice !!
 
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