ADF pimple fungus

Hi everyone
I have 8 ADF’s who are always active and funny to watch, as they take turns biting one another’s butt. A few days ago, I noticed (and by ‘notice’, I’m referring to my twice-daily inspections) that one of them (we’ll name him ‘Pete’) had a pimple-looking bump on the side of his torso, halfway between his shoulder and his hip. Suspicious that this may be the result of a nip from the 9th resident of the tank, Heathcliffe (a clown loach who was terrified of everything) was then relocated to a different tank. The pimple bump looked like a tiny cotton ball.
Prior to beginning treatment, I relocated the remaining two tank-mates (snails) to my shrimp tank (it needed a cleaning anyway).
I had been giving the frog tank 50% water changes every day or two. Their tank is on my kitchen counter next to the sink, plus I’m always super paranoid about my frogs getting ill. Sooo...
Day1:
a) did an 80% water change thoroughly vacuuming the gravel.
b) added erythromycin, Seachem Paraguard, Seachem Stressguard, and Maracyn Oxy to their tank. All at half doses. This is especially important for the Oxy, since it is essentially bleach.
c) removed the all-in-one filter, to get rid of the carbon so that it’s not filtering out the medication.
d) stuffed the filter box with the ‘cut to fit’ fluffy filter stuff.
e) added Seachem Prime to temporarily manage any NH3, NO2, or NO3 issues; between the erythromycin and the Oxy, I had to assume that the good bacteria were going to be extinguished.
f) covered the tank with a light towel to reduce light for them..

Day2:
Pete’s presumed ‘wound fungus’ seems to have grown very slightly, but he’s still active and he’s still eating, so I’m grateful for that. Maintaining dosage schedule.

Day3:
The fungus seems to have shrunk somewhat. Maintaining dosage schedule.

EDIT Day4:
The fuzzy pimple seems to be separating from his body, which I am thrilled to see, but the newly-exposed skin looks red and raw. I’m hoping that it’s the wounded skin healing. Maintaining dosage schedule.
Day5: tomorrow...

 

Hi PURP,
Good luck and keep us posted. I hope Pete gets better.

 

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Hi everyone
I have 8 ADF’s who are always active and funny to watch, as they take turns biting one another’s butt. A few days ago, I noticed (and by ‘notice’, I’m referring to my twice-daily inspections) that one of them (we’ll name him ‘Pete’) had a pimple-looking bump on the side of his torso, halfway between his shoulder and his hip. Suspicious that this may be the result of a nip from the 9th resident of the tank, Heathcliffe (a clown loach who was terrified of everything) was then relocated to a different tank. The pimple bump looked like a tiny cotton ball.
Prior to beginning treatment, I relocated the remaining two tank-mates (snails) to my shrimp tank (it needed a cleaning anyway).
I had been giving the frog tank 50% water changes every day or two. Their tank is on my kitchen counter next to the sink, plus I’m always super paranoid about my frogs getting ill. Sooo...
Day1:
a) did an 80% water change thoroughly vacuuming the gravel.
b) added erythromycin, Seachem Paraguard, Seachem Stressguard, and Maracyn Oxy to their tank. All at half doses. This is especially important for the Oxy, since it is essentially bleach.
c) removed the all-in-one filter, to get rid of the carbon so that it’s not filtering out the medication.
d) stuffed the filter box with the ‘cut to fit’ fluffy filter stuff.
e) added Seachem Prime to temporarily manage any NH3, NO2, or NO3 issues; between the erythromycin and the Oxy, I had to assume that the good bacteria were going to be extinguished.
f) covered the tank with a light towel to reduce light for them..

Day2:
Pete’s presumed ‘wound fungus’ seems to have grown very slightly, but he’s still active and he’s still eating, so I’m grateful for that. Maintaining dosage schedule.

Day3:
The fungus seems to have shrunk somewhat. Maintaining dosage schedule.

EDIT Day4:
The fuzzy pimple seems to be separating from his body, which I am thrilled to see, but the newly-exposed skin looks red and raw. I’m hoping that it’s the wounded skin healing. Maintaining dosage schedule.
Day5: tomorrow...

Day5:
Fuzzy stuff gone, but the wound that was underneath looks bad. Tomorrow they’re getting an 80% water change, and starting a new regimen of erythromycin and vitamins.

 

Day5:
Fuzzy stuff gone, but the wound that was underneath looks bad. Tomorrow they’re getting an 80% water change, and starting a new regimen of erythromycin and vitamins.

Day6:
Fuzz still gone, but the wound looks terrible. Fortunately it doesn’t seem to affect his mobility or appetite.

Did an 80% water change (with gravel vacuum), but when I poured in the fresh water, it stirred up some debris... so I did another 80% change (water only). I added Stability, Pristine, Prime, Stress Guard, Fresh Trace, as well as putting in a fresh filter. I decided against doing another round of erythromycin, so the bacteria can be left alone. Did the ‘sniff test’ before going to bed... something seems off, might just be the Prime... I’ll let it settle overnight and check it again. They’re currently in a 5g tank. I’m hoping to move them to a 10g tank tomorrow (after I silicone a crack). This will give them completely new water with half the decay rate. I know it probably sounds bad, but I’m glad to be fighting a medical problem that’s NOT Chytrid.

 

Day6:
Fuzz still gone, but the wound looks terrible. Fortunately it doesn’t seem to affect his mobility or appetite.

Did an 80% water change (with gravel vacuum), but when I poured in the fresh water, it stirred up some debris... so I did another 80% change (water only). I added Stability, Pristine, Prime, Stress Guard, Fresh Trace, as well as putting in a fresh filter. I decided against doing another round of erythromycin, so the bacteria can be left alone. Did the ‘sniff test’ before going to bed... something seems off, might just be the Prime... I’ll let it settle overnight and check it again. They’re currently in a 5g tank. I’m hoping to move them to a 10g tank tomorrow (after I silicone a crack). This will give them completely new water with half the decay rate. I know it probably sounds bad, but I’m glad to be fighting a medical problem that’s NOT Chytrid.

Day7:
His wound still looks bad, maybe even a little worse.



I resumed Paraguard treatment and started Kanaplex as a milder anti-fungal alternative to Oxy. To rule out ongoing physical re-injury from wedging themselves under the intake filter, I replaced it with a softer, finer foam one. There hasn’t been any change in behaviour or appetite, so I’m very grateful for that. I’m closely monitoring the other 7 froggies for signs of illness or distress, but so far their only feedback seems to be staring at me hoping I’m not going to eat them.

If anybody has any idea what may be going on with my guys, please let me know.

 

Ah, I was hoping you turned a good corner when the fungus cleared up.
I'm sorry I can't help. I don't know what to recommend other than what you're already doing

 

Day8:
He still seems to be in good spirits, so I’m hoping he can ride out my trying to figure out what’s going on. His wound seems to be about the same, but it looks less raw than it did yesterday:


I’m going to continue with the Paraguard and Kanaplex for now.

 

Day9:
Sad news... one of Pete’s tank mates died earlier tonight. He was bobbing around at the top a bit yesterday, but tonight he was doing the full-bloat-float. As I have to treat this as a Chytrid outbreak (the others had developed tattered shedding as well), I started the Lamisil bath procedure for them all. But Pete’s buddy died a few hours later anyway. This has me somewhat befuddled, since I did this procedure mid-February, and everybody has shown no Chytrid symptoms since. The ONLY thing that syncs with the timeline, is that I started giving them (as a treat):


It contains bloodworms, mysis shrimp, and brine shrimp; all of which should be fine for ADF consumption...(?) Now that I’m writing this, I remember that this also corresponds to a sudden multiple death event last year. I’ve gone through everything over and over in my head, I only have the one frog tank, so I can’t imagine that cross-contamination was involved...(?)
The good news is that Pete seems to be doing well:


The timing with starting a group treatment should be ok, given that it’s a fungus treatment. Anyway, he’s flying around full speed with the others. I gave them a couple ornaments in their mini-hospital tank, and six of them jumped inside the same one. The seventh guy waited for an opening to jump in (I may be anthropomorphizing... I tend to do that with all animals). I’m also giving them a couple drops of Paraguard and a pinch of Kanaplex in their recovery tank. Hopefully I will still have seven healthy froggies in the morning... (fingers crossed)

 

Hate to hear you lost one.

I feed froze but honestly I'm always a bit dubious of the chain of command.
Several years ago I went to a chain pet store to pick up some frozen. Their freezer was broke, food was mostly thawed and no one had noticed.
Made we wonder what happened to all that food. Did they throw it out? Re-freeze it?
The thought of contamination never left my mind. In fact don't think I've bought frozen food from there since.

 

Day11:
No good news. The toad that is in my avatar, Hoppy, died very suddenly a couple nights ago. No warning signs, he just flopped over on his side and was gone. Burial yesterday. Later that night, one of my cats found and killed a mouse in the hallway. So no shortage of death at my place. ;(
The good news is that Pete seems to be healing well

and the seven of them are doing great with the Lamisil treatment, though I have to keep in mind how far these little guys can jump. They seem to be conspiring against me.


This the barrel ornament that frogs always love.

 

I’m losing track of the days…
Tonight will be the eighth Lamisil bath for the seven frogs. Sunday will be their last for this treatment. They seem to still be ok, with their usual squishing themselves into small spaces


and flying around the container. Pete’s wound seems stable… it may just take time to fully heal. For the last couple days, I’ve been giving them their food an hour before their tub-time. This way, since the tank gets dumped and sterilized while they’re enjoying their spa treatment, when they return to their tank, it will be pure fresh water until the next night… not counting whatever they ‘add’ to the water.
I know I’ve been inconsistent with my water additives in their main container (mini-tank), but I think I have a methodology now that I can use.
1) a few drops of Prime to manage NH3, NO2, and NO3… since the daily dumping of their tank doesn’t allow for establishing a good bacteria base.
2) a pinch of erythromycin to support their immune system in between their baths.
3) a couple drops of Paraguard to help prevent any stubborn fungi from regaining a foothold.
So far so good.

 

Oh my goodness. What a cute picture of them all smooshed in the decoration.

I'm sorry about your toad. Was it wild caught?

 

I apologize for the delayed update. Pete’s wound is healing nicely, though I think that that scar is not growing back. On the bright side, he and all his tank-mates are perfectly healthy… They seem happier…(?)

 

Hi again I apologize Lucy for not answering your question. Yes, Hoppy was an outdoor toad that I found while working in my flower garden. When I first saw her, I noticed that one of her back legs wasn’t working properly. I didn’t know if I had injured her, or if it was something that may or may not heal. Feeling responsible, I wanted to give her every chance for a recovery, so I did what any normal person would do, I bought her a 20 gallon terrarium and built a mini ecosystem with stones, soil, and plants from my garden, as well as two wading pools. The picture in my avatar is of her in the bigger pool. Unfortunately, her leg did not show any improvement, so it seemed that she was injured before I found her.
On a hoppy note (sorry… couldn’t resist)… Pete seems to be perfectly healthy now. He still has a faint scar, but it hasn’t changed in the last few weeks. So I still have seven happy (presumably) frogs. I haven’t gotten around to setting up their 10 gallon tank, because it needs a bit of silicone for a crack, and I can always find a reason to justify procrastinating. I’ve been thinking about setting up a custom tank just for them. Essentially it’s a standard 30 gallon size, with the top third omitted. So it has the footprint of a thirty, but not as tall, giving them a 20 gallon tank that is not too deep for them. Again… procrastinating.

I do have a mostly valid excuse this time though. I am tending to the needs of other animals from 8pm to 6am every night.

That’s my every night now. I really can’t say ‘no’ to taking care of any animal.

 

That's really cute! The skunks though? haha

Glad to hear your frogs are dOing well!
Are you talking about getting them a 20 long tank? It's the perfect height and length for a bunch of silly ADF!
It's one of my favorite size tanks.

 

Yes I keep forgetting what it was called… 20g long. I don’t know how many ADFs it can accommodate, do you? I wouldn’t plan on adding more to the seven I now have anytime soon, but I would like to know, just in case some wind up at my door (when I’m at PetSmart, if they have any that don’t look too healthy, I usually buy them to try to give them a chance to recover ).

I do remember an ADF keeper say that tank size should be 1g per frog, with a minimum of 10g. Your thoughts?

ps: the skunks are quite calm and pleasant to interact with. I can hand-feed most of them, and there are two that I can pet.

 

I've had 8 or 9 comfortably in a 20 long. I used to think 5g's for 2 frogs was ok but after keeping them that way for a while I realized they did better with more room.

 

I was hoping that you were going to say 15… but I know that’s not realistic.

I received a notification in my email about a user named ‘Naytahly’ (sp?), but the thread is now closed… Is there a way to contact other users outside of threads?

 

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