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Hi all. I’m new here And new to fish owning but hoping I can get some help. I really don’t know as much as I should and am realizing I wasn’t given the best advice. My daughter and I went to the pet store and we spoke with a girl who sold us a 2 1/2 gallon tank and 2 glofish and 2 dwarf frogs. We went home and one of the glofish died and then the frog got sucked into the filter (or jumped I’m not sure). I thought he was dead, put him in the toilet and he started swimming around. I panicked because I realized he was still alive went to get him out and he swam into a hole in the toilet. I tried putting food in the toilet hoping to lure him out but he never came out. I didn’t have a fish net so I put a cup over the hole, hoping to catch him before he got flushed down but he never came out of the hole. I feel absolutely terrible. I put the remaining frog in his own tank without a filter and purchased a 6 1/2 gallon, with a filter and lights.

a few weeks later we went to a new store and spoke with a different lady. We purchased 2 more glofish and a new frog. Also a heater as I had no idea they needed one. We put them all in the new tank. But still seem to be having the same problem. It’s a hanging filter. The frog goes behind the filter, not sure if it’s on purpose and he can get out himself or if he is stuck. I have also found one inside the filter. I have no idea what to do. I just found the frog in the filter and put him back in the tank. He’s slow but ok I hope. What am I doing wrong here? What can I do to stop this? I love the frogs but maybe I’m just nota good frog owner. And I feel so awful that I’m hurting them
 

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Ok, so it sounds like your tank is not cycled. This means all the waste your fish and frog are currently producing are staying as ammonia, when they should be converted into nitrites, then nitrates. Both ammonia and nitrites are extremely harmful and will quickly kill fish and frogs. This is why your frog is jumping, he is trying to escape into another body of water that will have better conditions. You need to cycle the tank ASAP and you will have to do a fish-in cycle, which means you must watch the tank very carefully. You will need a liquid test kit to monitor your water parameters.

Nitrosomanas bacteria live mostly in your filter and some live in your gravel. This bacteria converts ammonia to nitrite. Both are toxic and should always be at 0 ppm. Thankfully, there is another bacteria, nitrobacter, which converts nitrites to nitrates. Nitrates are only toxic at concentrations above 20 ppm and take longer to accumulate.

I would immediately do a 50% water change to manually lower your ammonia so your fish and frog are at less risk of ammonia burns and death. You should get beneficial bacteria in your tank ASAP. You can get it from the filter media of another established tank or buy it bottled. Once it’s in your tank, the bacteria will take time to expand into a colony large enough to handle the bioload of your tank. Until then, do daily water changes and dose your tank with seachem prime. Seachem prime will detoxify ammonia and nitrites for 48 hours, giving your tank some time to cycle. Redose it as needed. When you’re doing water changes, do not remove more than 50% as this will stress the fish by too drastically changing the environment. You should also prepare the water ahead of time and bring it to the same/similar temperature to your tank, if possible, to reduce the chance of sudden temperature change in the tank.


Now for acclimation. How did you acclimate these guys? It plays a huge part in how they respond and handle their adjustment to new environments.

There’s also a problem with your tetra. So I’m not sure if you mean glo fish or glowlight tetra, so I’ll explain both.

Glowlight tetra (Hemigrammus erythrozonus) is a small tropical schooling fish. This means they must be kept as a minimum of 6. Their minimum tank size is 10 gallons, a smaller tank will make them feel stressed and may cause bullying among the school due to lack of space. This bullying will cause serious health problems to the fish down the line and will negatively affect their longevity. If you do not keep them as a proper school, they will become extremely stressed and won’t feel safe, which will also negatively affect their health and longevity.

If you meant glo fish, I need to know what type. The glo fish danio is a genetically modified zebra danio, and zebra danio (Danio rerio) need a minimum of 10 gallons and a minimum of 6, for the same reason as the glowlight tetra. They are schooling fish.

If you meant the glo fish shark/sucker fish, that is a genetically modified rainbow shark (Epalzeorhynchos frenatum) and if this is the fish you have, I would rehome as they are very territorial a single rainbow shark will need a 30 gallon tank. There is a way to keep rainbow sharks together, but this will require a lot of expertise and an extremely large tank, about 125 gallons. Each will be about 6 inches/ 15 cm when full grown.

If you have the glo fish tetra, that is a genetically modified skirt tetra (Gymnocorymbus ternetzi). Skirt tetra are schooling fish, and get to around 3 inches/ 7.6 cm when fully grown. This means they will need a 20-30 gallon tank to support a school of a minimum of 6.

Unfortunately, it sounds like the petstore has put you in a difficult situation, but I promise you’ll get through it. This forum is here to help and you can find many resources available for information on your fish and your cycle.

As for the petstore, it’s never a good idea to take advice from them. People at a petstore may not own fish themselves or care about the fish. It’s always important to do your own research and never solely rely on information given by the petstore. That being said, I’m not saying don’t ask questions. It’s good to ask questions to figure out what they feed the fish, when they got them, if they’ve seen any odd behavior, etc. Some employees may actually be very knowledgeable, but not all are, and it’s important to have a good background knowledge. Always ask to speak to the aquatic specialist. If the store is not taking good care of the fish, go to another store that does. You do not want to buy fish or seek advice from a store that only has sick/dying fish. If you see overstocked tanks, dead fish, sick fish, uneaten food, the precarious selling of fish, incompatible fish together, these are all red flags the store is no good for fish.
 

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I agree with Crimson_687. In the meantime, though, you should cover the top of the filter and fit a sponge into the place where the water comes out, so that water can still flow through but the frog can't jump in.
 
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Thank you for your response. I don’t think I made clear the timeline. I initially bought the first round of fish and tank a month ago. The second round was purchased yesterday. The fish and frog that passed died about a day after I got them and were from the first round. I do think the tetra died because of the new tank syndrome. I did some googling to try and find out my mistake then So I wouldn’t make the same one. The fact that the new frog is doing the same thing with the filter is what’s scaring me. I don’t want it to happen again.

for the second most current round- I thought I would be safe by putting the gravel and water from the old tank which was already a few weeks old by now into the new tank and then adding more water. The water I added on top of the old tank water was set out the day before. I was hoping the cycle would be ok. The new fish I purchased yesterday seem to be ok and happy right now. The frogs were having the time of their lives yesterday in their new larger tank. I will have to get a testing kit or bring water in and have it tested. I will also have to check reviews of the pet stores in my area so I get an idea of where to take the water.
The fish are glofish tetra. That’s what the sign said. I liked the look of the danios but the lady at the store said they would be too aggressive for the frog. I originally wanted more tetras with the frog but she only sold me 2 because she said my tank was not large enough for more. Unfortunately I don’t really have room for anything larger and my husband might kill me if I buy another tank since I’ve already purchased two and I don’t seem to be doing well with them.

As far as covering the filter... maybe I can put a sponge or something on top or foil or something. But I’m worried the frog will just jump on that and really dry out. Atleast the filter has water in it. is it ok to cover the top of the filter? I don’t think they are actually getting sucked into the filter as much as jumping in but it may be possible. The holes do not look big enough for the entire body to go through but the top of the filter definitely is.
 

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If the frog jumps on the cover of the filter, it'll still be able to climb off, since they are amphibians, and can stay out of water for 15 min or less, but the frog shouldn't dry out, since it'll be able to jump back into the tank. I think you should cover the filter if you don't want the frog jumping in again, but you could also put something around the filter, like a wall of some sort that extends to the lid(cover? I donno) of the tank so that your frog can't jump into it at all. Wait, is the frog jumping into the front or the back or your filter?
 

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Imrusty52 said:
Thank you for your response. I don’t think I made clear the timeline. I initially bought the first round of fish and tank a month ago. The second round was purchased yesterday. The fish and frog that passed died about a day after I got them and were from the first round. I do think the tetra died because of the new tank syndrome. I did some googling to try and find out my mistake then So I wouldn’t make the same one. The fact that the new frog is doing the same thing with the filter is what’s scaring me. I don’t want it to happen again.

for the second most current round- I thought I would be safe by putting the gravel and water from the old tank which was already a few weeks old by now into the new tank and then adding more water. The water I added on top of the old tank water was set out the day before. I was hoping the cycle would be ok. The new fish I purchased yesterday seem to be ok and happy right now. The frogs were having the time of their lives yesterday in their new larger tank. I will have to get a testing kit or bring water in and have it tested. I will also have to check reviews of the pet stores in my area so I get an idea of where to take the water.
The fish are glofish tetra. That’s what the sign said. I liked the look of the danios but the lady at the store said they would be too aggressive for the frog. I originally wanted more tetras with the frog but she only sold me 2 because she said my tank was not large enough for more. Unfortunately I don’t really have room for anything larger and my husband might kill me if I buy another tank since I’ve already purchased two and I don’t seem to be doing well with them.

As far as covering the filter... maybe I can put a sponge or something on top or foil or something. But I’m worried the frog will just jump on that and really dry out. Atleast the filter has water in it. is it ok to cover the top of the filter? I don’t think they are actually getting sucked into the filter as much as jumping in but it may be possible. The holes do not look big enough for the entire body to go through but the top of the filter definitely is.
Was your tank initially cycled? Cycling can take much longer than 2 weeks and you would need a test kit for ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate to know if it is cycled.

You can get another tank through the Petco dollar per gallon sale. If you can’t get a bigger tank tho, you may want to rehome the tetras.
 
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If the frog jumps on the cover of the filter, it'll still be able to climb off, since they are amphibians, and can stay out of water for 15 min or less, but the frog shouldn't dry out, since it'll be able to jump back into the tank. I think you should cover the filter if you don't want the frog jumping in again, but you could also put something around the filter, like a wall of some sort that extends to the lid(cover? I donno) of the tank so that your frog can't jump into it at all. Wait, is the frog jumping into the front or the back or your filter?
I haven’t seen them actually do it. I just find them inside the filter. I think it may be both frogs but they look exactly the same so I’m really not sure. I also find them behind the filter between the suction cup and hook. I think he may just be hiding there? Maybe he isn’t stuck at all. But maybe he is? Another hiding space they seem to like is under the little lounge chair I have in there. I wish they could talk I’d have a lot more answers!

I found him behind the filter again this morning. I honestly thought he was dead. But I moved the filter and he swam away. Now he’s just kind of chilling on the bottom of the tank not moving much.
 
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Crimson_687 said:
Was your tank initially cycled? Cycling can take much longer than 2 weeks and you would need a test kit for ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate to know if it is cycled.

You can get another tank through the Petco dollar per gallon sale. If you can’t get a bigger tank tho, you may want to rehome the tetras.
No the tank was not initially cycled as I knew nothing about it then. I will get the water tested and ask them to show me how to do it so I can test myself.
 

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Do you have a lid on the tank at all? On mine, (with canopy lid), I tape on plastic canvas mesh at the back and cut around the filter to cover all possible accidental escape routes. You could use a whole piece as a lid as well. I also use it to 'round up' fish if I need to move them to a different tank! :D
 
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Do you have a lid on the tank at all? On mine, (with canopy lid), I tape on plastic canvas mesh at the back and cut around the filter to cover all possible accidental escape routes. You could use a whole piece as a lid as well. I also use it to 'round up' fish if I need to move them to a different tank! :D
I do have a lid. That is a great idea. Where did you get your mesh?
 

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I do have a lid. That is a great idea. Where did you get your mesh?
Bigger craft stores have it. And, I just found a large piece at Walmart. But, you can find them also www, different colors. I use Gorilla clear waterproof tape to secure pieces to lid. It's not beautiful, but fairly invisible. I swear by the mesh. I'm not strong enough to attach that plastic thing to the back of glass canopy lids. Mesh is easier to attach and cut!
 

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I haven’t seen them actually do it. I just find them inside the filter. I think it may be both frogs but they look exactly the same so I’m really not sure. I also find them behind the filter between the suction cup and hook. I think he may just be hiding there? Maybe he isn’t stuck at all. But maybe he is? Another hiding space they seem to like is under the little lounge chair I have in there. I wish they could talk I’d have a lot more answers!

I found him behind the filter again this morning. I honestly thought he was dead. But I moved the filter and he swam away. Now he’s just kind of chilling on the bottom of the tank not moving much.
Yeah, My frogs do the exact same thing! My filter and heater are placed together, so there's a little platform-like thing between them that's about 1-2 inches below the water line. They just wedge themselves between the filter and heater and float there and don't move for, like, 10 minutes. I think it's normal for them because since they have lungs, it'd be a lot easier to get a quick breath out of the water. As long as your frog's eyes are not white/glassed over, they are probably just resting behind the filter.
 
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Hi everyone! Thank you for all of your valuable advice! I wound up getting a larger tank (25 gallons) with a better filter. I also got 3 more glofish tetras and they are all doing very well.
 

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Great! Glad you decided to get a bigger tank. Your fish and frogs must be loving it there! Good luck with your new tank:)
 

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