AcornTheBetta's 29g build! - Page 4

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DarkOne said:
I have 15 plecos, 3 which are 6-7" now and will grow to 10-12" in a 40g breeder. I do 5g w/c daily (mostly to siphon out the poop) and 50% at least weekly. I also have a QuietFlow 50, sponge filter and 2 moving bed filters. Keeping an overstocked tank is doable but it takes dedication and LOTS of maintenance. You also need to introduce fish slowly and ramp up the amount of food slowly so the BB can catch up.


I've been thru a few different brands of air pumps and for 1-2 tanks, I highly recommend the Active Aqua. They have models from 1 to 8 ports built into the pump and a dial to control the amount of air. I have a 2 port pump and it's currently running 2 tanks with 4 filters (3 sponge, 1 box) and a breeder box that takes minimal air. They're very competitively priced and relatively quiet.
Amazon.com

Danner was another highly recommended pump but it's not as powerful. Whisper and Fluval pumps are good for about a year if you're lucky.

If you need to run 3-6 tanks, the Alita AL-6 is amazing. I'm running 8 filters in 5 tanks with this pump and it's dead quiet. 3 of those filters are moving bed filters that need a lot of air to run.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006H4QG56/
I can do 50% weekly at least maybe even 50% biweekly. What is a reasonable time line for introducing fish?
 
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Update:
Even though I said that I would get to stocking next week, I do not think I will. I say this because I want to get the algae problem in the tank under control and I want to get a different full spectrum light for the tank. Also, I want the plants to grow and fill in/establish more before I add fish that could mess them up. This will give me time to think about the stocking and decide whether or not I should cut some fish out to lower bioload or tweak it in any way. I also plan on adding a heater to the tank since I believe that my winter temp swings too low and too much for these fish. The heater will only be there to keep the temp at a reasonable level. Do you think something like Scarlet Badis could replace the honeys? I could lower the WCMM to 10 and the corys to 8 to lower the bioload. How many Scarlet Badis do you think I should do? Do you guys think I should just cut the honeys/centerpiece completely from the setup to lower the bioload? What oddball centerpieces could replace the honeys? I am dead set on all the other fish that I plan to stock with, but the numbers are adjustable.
 
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Maybe a pea puffer? I've heard they can go down to 72-73F
 

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AcornTheBetta said:
Update:
Even though I said that I would get to stocking next week, I do not think I will. I say this because I want to get the algae problem in the tank under control and I want to get a different full spectrum light for the tank. Also, I want the plants to grow and fill in/establish more before I add fish that could mess them up. This will give me time to think about the stocking and decide whether or not I should cut some fish out to lower bioload or tweak it in any way. I also plan on adding a heater to the tank since I believe that my winter temp swings too low and too much for these fish. The heater will only be there to keep the temp at a reasonable level. Do you think something like Scarlet Badis could replace the honeys? I could lower the WCMM to 10 and the corys to 8 to lower the bioload. How many Scarlet Badis do you think I should do? Do you guys think I should just cut the honeys/centerpiece completely from the setup to lower the bioload? What oddball centerpieces could replace the honeys? I am dead set on all the other fish that I plan to stock with, but the numbers are adjustable.
scarlet badis are tiiiiiny. not a great display fish in a tank that size, imo. they're also frequently tough to get on dry foods, and often require live food only. Rather than reducing your school sizes, what about doing a single pearl gourami instead of three honeys as a display?
 
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Fishproblem said:
scarlet badis are tiiiiiny. not a great display fish in a tank that size, imo. they're also frequently tough to get on dry foods, and often require live food only. Rather than reducing your school sizes, what about doing a single pearl gourami instead of three honeys as a display?
I thought about that, but a 29g in the min for a Pearl gourami and they need hotter water. Good though tho. Any other suggestions?
 

Fishproblem

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AcornTheBetta said:
I thought about that, but a 29g in the min for a Pearl gourami and they need hotter water. Good though tho. Any other suggestions?
Hm. I thought they could do as low as 72°F. If they don’t work, I’m sure you’ve considered all the other obvious options. I’ll think about it though!
 
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Fishproblem said:
Hm. I thought they could do as low as 72°F. If they don’t work, I’m sure you’ve considered all the other obvious options. I’ll think about it though!
Maybe I haven't tho... What are some of the obvious ones? No midwater schoolers plz.
 

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AcornTheBetta said:
Maybe I haven't tho... What are some of the obvious ones? No midwater schoolers plz.
Depends! What temp are you trying to maintain? I just looked back through the thread and couldn't find it, sorry.
 
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Fishproblem said:
Depends! What temp are you trying to maintain? I just looked back through the thread and couldn't find it, sorry.
72-73. LMK if you think of any.
 
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Do you think I should add more filtration? I could add an HOB.
 

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Scarlet badis need pretty exact water parameters and are hard too feed. And as said before too small to be a centerpiece in a tank that size. Why do you want to keep the temp that low? You could probably do a pair of bolivian rams, your corys and a schooling fish.
 
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SnookusFish said:
Scarlet badis need pretty exact water parameters and are hard too feed. And as said before too small to be a centerpiece in a tank that size. Why do you want to keep the temp that low? You could probably do a pair of bolivian rams, your corys and a schooling fish.
I want the temp low because of the WCMM, but in the summer, it will be at least 75 in the tank
 

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AcornTheBetta said:
72-73. LMK if you think of any.
I'm thinking maybe a single Kribensis... 72 is right at the low end of temperature estimates for them though. I would ask someone with lots of experience with them to see if they have insight. A pair of Apistogramma could be cool too. But I'm just spitballing. Research would be mandatory first lol

AcornTheBetta said:
Do you think I should add more filtration? I could add an HOB.
I think your filter is more than enough. What's the turnover rate?

SnookusFish said:
Scarlet badis need pretty exact water parameters and are hard too feed. And as said before too small to be a centerpiece in a tank that size. Why do you want to keep the temp that low? You could probably do a pair of bolivian rams, your corys and a schooling fish.
Hahah then it would be just like my setup. Cories, bolivians, school of ember tetra, and a BN. A temp increase of just a couple degrees would give you sooo many more options.

Can you keep it at a consistent 75 in the winter too? I think you'll find that WCMM will do just fine there.
 
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Fishproblem said:
I'm thinking maybe a single Kribensis... 72 is right at the low end of temperature estimates for them though. I would ask someone with lots of experience with them to see if they have insight. A pair of Apistogramma could be cool too. But I'm just spitballing. Research would be mandatory first lol


I think your filter is more than enough. What's the turnover rate?


Hahah then it would be just like my setup. Cories, bolivians, school of ember tetra, and a BN. A temp increase of just a couple degrees would give you sooo many more options.

Can you keep it at a consistent 75 in the winter too? I think you'll find that WCMM will do just fine there.
I don't really like kribs... maybe some Apistos...
Turnover is 206 GPH
How low can Bolivians go?
 

Fishproblem

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AcornTheBetta said:
I don't really like kribs... maybe some Apistos...
Turnover is 206 GPH
How low can Bolivians go?
They're warmer than you can go with your WCMM. About 77.
I think you're going to have trouble finding something that can hang with the cooler water. The honey gourami might be your best bet!
 
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Fishproblem said:
They're warmer than you can go with your WCMM. About 77.
I think you're going to have trouble finding something that can hang with the cooler water. The honey gourami might be your best bet!
Ok. Thanks! Maybe a pea puffer or group of peas?
 

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Fishproblem said:
They're warmer than you can go with your WCMM. About 77.
I think you're going to have trouble finding something that can hang with the cooler water. The honey gourami might be your best bet!
Boliviams are fine in low temp, 73 would be ok
 

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AcornTheBetta said:
Ok. Thanks! Maybe a pea puffer or group of peas?
Aren't they also a real pain to feed?
 
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SnookusFish said:
Boliviams are fine in low temp, 73 would be ok
Really? I thought their lowest was 77...
EDIT: The tank will be at 75
Fishproblem said:
Aren't they also a real pain to feed?
That would be a problem...
 

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Dont do pea puffers is my advice
And no, gbr are the ones that need high temps
Bolivians dont
 
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SnookusFish said:
Dont do pea puffers is my advice
And no, gbr are the ones that need high temps
Bolivians dont
How many bolivians in this stock?
X Bolivians
12 WCMM
10 Bronze Corys
1 BN

Are bolivians hard to feed/keep?
 

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2, easy to feed
 
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SnookusFish said:
2, easy to feed
Does it matter what gender they are? Would 2 males or 1 m 1 f or 2 f be fine? Would a pair breed?
 
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Bolivians are bottom dwellers correct? Would they get in the way/in fights with the corys?
 

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AcornTheBetta said:
Bolivians are bottom dwellers correct? Would they get in the way/in fights with the corys?
not larger sized ones. mine are fine with my adult c.paleatus, but beat the poo out of one of my new ~1/2" baby panda cories the other day though.

SnookusFish can probably confirm or correct, but I've heard you're supposed to do a M/F bonded pair, or 1M/2F to avoid conflict. Then again, I have three males in my 30 living peacefully until I can swap two out for a new attempt at getting a pair....
 
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Fishproblem said:
not larger sized ones. mine are fine with my adult c.paleatus, but beat the poo out of one of my new ~1/2" baby panda cories the other day though.

SnookusFish can probably confirm or correct, but I've heard you're supposed to do a M/F bonded pair, or 1M/2F to avoid conflict. Then again, I have three males in my 30 living peacefully until I can swap two out for a new attempt at getting a pair....
Ok. Note that baby corys are a no go with them
 
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Are bolivians shy?
 
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Can someone provide me with a timeline for this stocking plan?
2 Bolivians (m/f)
12 WCMM (Already have 2)
10 Bronze Corys
1 BN
Thanks!
 

FishGirl115

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AcornTheBetta said:
Can someone provide me with a timeline for this stocking plan?
2 Bolivians (m/f)
12 WCMM (Already have 2)
10 Bronze Corys
1 BN
Thanks!
I would put corys first, then wait a week, add wccm, wait a week, add bn, wait at least 3 days, add Bolivians. If that's what you mean by timeline?
 
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FishGirl115 said:
I would put corys first, then wait a week, add wccm, wait a week, add bn, wait at least 3 days, add Bolivians. If that's what you mean by timeline?
Yeah that's what I mean. May I ask, why corys first?
 

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AcornTheBetta said:
Yeah that's what I mean. May I ask, why corys first?
Just one of the bigger groups. You could really do it in whatever order you'd like
 

Fishproblem

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AcornTheBetta said:
Are bolivians shy?
not at all! mine hate my cell phone though. not great for getting pics.

AcornTheBetta said:
Can someone provide me with a timeline for this stocking plan?
2 Bolivians (m/f)
12 WCMM (Already have 2)
10 Bronze Corys
1 BN
Thanks!
I would be a little more conservative than FishGirl115. No need to risk a mini cycle, as you aren't under the gun to fill a tank up. I'd do just about the same as her, but split the schools in halves. It'll just give your BB colony more time to catch up to the increased bioload.
 
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Fishproblem said:
not at all! mine hate my cell phone though. not great for getting pics.


I would be a little more conservative than FishGirl115. No need to risk a mini cycle, as you aren't under the gun to fill a tank up. I'd do just about the same as her, but split the schools in halves. It'll just give your BB colony more time to catch up to the increased bioload.
Ok. I was going to get some bottled BB so that I could dose it just to make sure that the tank is fully cycled and doesn't crash when I add the fish although I do have the plants as a safety net.
 

Fishproblem

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AcornTheBetta said:
Ok. I was going to get some bottled BB so that I could dose it just to make sure that the tank is fully cycled and doesn't crash when I add the fish although I do have the plants as a safety net.
Good call! But remember that the nature of the cycle is such that the BB colony never grows larger than can be sustained by the existing ammonia and nitrate levels - even when the tank is fully cycled, the BB will have catching up to do whenever you add new fish. The plants will probably help on that front though!
 
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Fishproblem said:
Good call! But remember that the nature of the cycle is such that the BB colony never grows larger than can be sustained by the existing ammonia and nitrate levels - even when the tank is fully cycled, the BB will have catching up to do whenever you add new fish. The plants will probably help on that front though!
I figured the the plants would buffer until the BB could catch up.
 

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AcornTheBetta said:
I figured the the plants would buffer until the BB could catch up.
You're probably right, but I'd hate to leave it all up to the plants! Too many variables for me
 
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Fishproblem said:
You're probably right, but I'd hate to leave it all up to the plants! Too many variables for me
Aggreed! That's where bottled BB comes into play
 

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When I add new fish I just double the amount of water changes for 2 weeks and then I dont have to worry about anything.
 
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SnookusFish said:
When I add new fish I just double the amount of water changes for 2 weeks and then I dont have to worry about anything.
I was going to do that too
 
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Ok quick update. So I am getting this light for the tank as I want full spectrum lighting. I also ordered 36 stems of pearled off Ebay which included 1 portion of giant duckweed, crystalwort, and 2 mystery planta for free. All of this stuff should arrive this Friday. My plan is to do 4 hours a day of lighting until then to stop any algae from growing. Then, I will set up the new light and try to have the tank grow in and balance before I stock it with anything that could disturb the plants.
 
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UPDATE:
The pearlweed and other plants are coming today! So excited!
 

kanzekatores

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I haven't been watching this thread too closely but remember your stocking thread. I'm glad to see things are going well! Are you cycled yet? Have you posted pics?
 
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kanzekatores said:
I haven't been watching this thread too closely but remember your stocking thread. I'm glad to see things are going well! Are you cycled yet? Have you posted pics?
I'm cycled as I used cycled media when I got the filter and I have 2 WCMM in there now just to have a source of ammonia. Pics coming soon...

Just ignore the algae and the airline tubing lol

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Looks very nice!
 
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Ok, so the plants got here just a minute ago and I brought them in and unpacked them, but am unable to do anything else to them as I have a zoom meeting soon. I am going to leave them out and tend to them later. Sadly, many plants have duckweed on them which is going to be a pain in the butt to clean off, but I guess it's worth it. Will update later once they are in the tank.
 
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UPDATE:
Planted the pearlweed and added the floaters, now I just need it to grow. There was a bit of rouge duckweed, but it's whatever.
 

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AcornTheBetta said:
UPDATE:
Planted the pearlweed and added the floaters, now I just need it to grow. There was a bit of rouge duckweed, but it's whatever.
I love the day the plants come! Post pics when you have a chance.

In all honesty, I quite like duckweed. I do understand the complaints, but I've grown to enjoy essentially scooping nitrates out by the handfuls without even doing a water change. It is easy to keep alive, compared to other floaters that tend to be pretty fussy about flow and moisture on their leaves. The roots get long enough to look pretty, without making a mess or filling the tank top to bottom. I'm about ready to throw out all my water lettuce! I may try salvinia, or just add some duckweed from one of the other tanks.
 

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Following! Look forward to the updated photos
 

emilymg

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following! looks great so far
 

Sputnik

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Also following! Send some pics when you can
 

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