A Couple Shrimp Question (Somewhat Urgent)

Hi all, i was fishing and i saw some shrimp swimming by so i netted them, i caught 7 shrimp all around 2-3cm. I they are very similar to ghost shrimp, or glass shrimp maybe. The river is brackish (mix of salt and freshwater) so my questions.

Can i make them into full freshwater shrimps by drip aclummation?
Would i be able to keep them in their own ecoshpere with some bladder snails?
Will bladder snails and shrimp be okay together?
What would be the minium jar/tank/bowl i could use?

I found a 1 gallon bowl could i add some java moss, java fern and maybe some anubias and rotala?
Will these plants be okay with shrimp?

How to tell gender of shrimp ill try posting some photos very soon.
edit: what floating plants are good with shrimp
ive seen 2 gallons shrimp ecoshpere with loads of plants with no, Co2, fliter or heater, if i keep in a warm area and do water changes maybe every month or so as there wouldn't be a big bio load?

 

You very likely have an Australian native shrimp species?
I doubt many people on this site have experience with that particular species? The only native shrimp I have kept were from Queensland. And Darwin. I have also seen fresh water shrimp in the alpine lakes but that’s also another species altogether.

My guess is the transition to fresh from salt will depend on how fresh the water was where you collected. I assume they would take their time moving up stream in the wild?

I would try to keep nets and hoses separate from your other tanks in case you have brought parasites etc into the house. ?

Good luck.

 

i believe them to be Atyidae, from the georges river. they are by themselves in a 1 gal container at the moment slowly adding freshwater from my 5 gal betta tank.
the transition im hoping should be fine, seeing how much rain from the floods in NSW there should be more freshwater in the system.
here are some photos i just took,

What would be the minimum jar/tank/bowl gallons/litre i could use?
How to tell the gender of a freshwater ghost shrimp?
Is 1 gal okay for some ghost shrimp and bladder snails?

Please can sombody help im in the middle of setting this up so help would be greatly appricated, ill be monitoring and quariuntining these shrimp for a couple days before introducing them to the tank and snails.

Dont worry i understand cycling a tank and i have established substrate, plants, hardscape and water, ill add an established piece of aquarium filter wool even though the tank wont have a filter or heater.

 

What would be the minimum jar/tank/bowl gallons/litre i could use?
How to tell the gender of a freshwater ghost shrimp?
Is 1 gal okay for some ghost shrimp and bladder snails?

I had 7 shrimp during accumation from brackish to freshwater 1 died while 6 are alive and healthy, ive been doing this for over 1 1/2 hours so its nearly all freshwater i think it worked!

I did notice the shrimp that died wasnt the same colouration from the begining so perhaps it was a different species.

please refer to this thread for more details,
A Couple Shrimp Question (Somewhat Urgent) | Shrimp and Crab Forum | 521253

 

Any help please?

 

I've kept neocaridina shrimp in heavily planted one gallon jars for a while, but they didn't seem to be thriving, or reproducing. I haven't tried with anything else smaller than 5 gallons.

I'm not familiar with ghost shrimp, but I assume you determine sex the same way you do with neos. The females are larger, and their abdomen in particular is larger, and seems to sag down on the bottom. The male's abdomens are thinner.

 

Thanks for the reply, I will try and get them into perhaps a 3-5 gal soon

https://www.fishlore.com/aquariumfishforum/members/richiep.124324/

richiep could you please give me any advice seeing you are a shrimp guru on the forum?

 

richiep could you offer a little advice here? Thank you!

 

Marlene how did you attach his name when I typed it it didn't get attached

 

Flyfisha already answered the questions on another thread, he's from Australia and knows far more than me on their specias, I'd agree with him that they are a river shrimp just like the ones here in the uk but no doubt their needs are different,
The ones I get are freshwater and I just put them straight into a salinity of 1.010 for my puffer I don't even drip and two months down the line what haven't been eaten are still alive, none have died naturally
In your case getting these free allows you to experiment so I'd say start doing that and see what works best
Information you gather can be used for others

 

Any tips for find gender or is ProudPapa spot on, I'm not doubting just confirming

 

I suppose a 2G bowl should be fine for 6 ( is that what you said ?) I’m following this though because I’m interested in these little guys. Look at those claws !!!

 

are you sure it's a shrimp and not a prawn? possibly a juvenile prawn? I can't tell from the pictures, but theres differences to look for to tell a prawn from a shrimp. being caught in brackish, leads me to believe it might be a prawn and it's posture.

My concern is being certain it's a ghost shrimp and not a juvenile prawn, A ghost can live in Brackish, but not salt water, a prawn can live in brackish, but not freshwater. freshwater prawns would spawn in brackish and juveniles would return to fresh as they grow.

I'm no expert at all, just kind of figuring out what you got and if you are doing the right thing or not.
You are so close to the water, couldn't' you just fill the one gallon tank each day with the brackish water?

 

Now I did wonder about prawns too but it has the angled back of a ghost shrimp..

Either way I’m interested !

 

Sorry guess as I said on the other thread, the remaining shrimp were found dead this morning, I believe it was either the body was able to survive a couple hrs in freshwater after being in brackish before the bodies shut down. Or they dyed of starvation I tried feeding zucchini and algae wafers they didn't eat, that's because they don't have in wild so not used to eating it.

Sorry guess, I still have 4 bladder snail and not add 3 more so 7.

I did a water change of 40%
Do you think if I buy normal red cherry shrimp it would be ok to add to the tank? Im asking as if perhaps they had diseases that could still be in the water, I've done a 40% wc, snails are moving and health

 

That depends on the parameters of the tank?
Again being a new tank they’d likely have a harder time eating too.. most say 3 months for tanks to house shrimp successfully for the biofilm to grow enough to support them.

depending who you ask cherry shrimp can be hardy to the point of surviving frost or ridiculously sensitive but I think the tank maturity helps both ways.
I don’t ‘think’ it was parasites / disease that killed them , rather the water parameters. But that being said they could of carried something. I will be totally honest here and say I’m not sure what diseases can carry between salt/ brackish/ fresh so I can’t fully comment on that front.

 

Thanks anyway, I was suggesting that it could just be like a pariste or something they carry but that may not be something that kills them. Like mosquitos they have diseases that can kill humans but doesn't kill those little guys.

So the river shrimp being mosquitos and the rcs being the humans if that made sense. If not forget about this point I'm thinking of.

 

Marlene how did you attach his name when I typed it it didn't get attached

When you want to tag someone, put @ in front of their name.
All these guys giving you answers are giving you alot of knowledge, trust and follow their help.

 

No I understand but again I don’t really know about salt / brackish diseases. Do they carry planaria ? I couldn’t say …

 

Thanks for your help and everyone else. I'll be buying some rcs in a couple of week if My patience allows, I'll let biofilm And algae grow in some more, I've got some small bladder snails in at the moment.

 

No I understand but again I don’t really know about salt / brackish diseases. Do they carry planaria ? I couldn’t say …

the Phylum Platyhelminthes, (planarians a common name for all flat worms) within the Phylum, there are the ,Turbellarians , and encompass about 200 species in north america alone. Tapeworms and Flukes are Platyleminthes also and parasitic and there are others, the Tubellarians are not parasitic, but highly adaptable and can be found in still or fast moving water, high oxygen or low to non-existent oxygen water, out of the water an in moss and shoreside, warm cold, fresh, brackish, salt.

the two planaria I think you'd be referring to because it is a shrimp thread, would be the ones dangerous to shrimp eggs, baby shrimplettes, and full grown shrimp as wel as snails for the same reason if they got hungry enough and were in sufficient numbers : Procotyla and Dugesia, both of those are freshwater species only.
it's interesting, those two species slime will stun the shrimp of snail and make them easy pickings for the planaria.

Saltwater has Convolutriloba retrogemma (red planaria, some call it "red bug")
Acropo Eating flat worms "AEFW" only affect Acropora sp., not any other kind of coral ,those are white planarians in saltwater.

There is one more that eats saltwater mollusks, similar tactics to the freshwater Procotyla and Dugesia. stun and then consume I don't remember the name....

And yes, I would assume with Turbellarians (planarians) ability to adapt easily and reproduce easily, they could also be found in brackish water since they are found just about everywhere. there's only a couple that are harmful, but they all can reproduce and overrun quickly and become a nuisance.
nothing really "carries" planarians, They can be brought in on plants and livestock or live foods to your aquarium from the sources they came from if they have it there, they will attach and hang on for the ride. kind of like if you sifted a scoop of soil from the yard, you'd likely find all sorts of critters, and if you went to the bushes and turned over some leaves, you'd likely come across some thing or another hanging out in the shade, or you might find a fly hitching a ride on a car just taking a break in it's localized area and rested and ended up going across town.
Good reasons to quarantine anything new you want to add to your favorite tank.

also kind of interesting, there's extensive lists of fresh, or salt, water diseases you could face in an aquarium, lots of information. However when it comes to brackish, it's slim pickings. I'd assume depending n the salinity, you could face fresh diseases or salt diseases,,,,, or maybe neither......... I'd assume, most brackish fish and stuff, well it's more about their ability to osmoregulate and handle the salinity shifts. or they use it as a transition from juvenile to adult or adult to juvenile, and don't spend their entire life in brackish. .. Either way, there's not a lot of brackish info compared to fresh or saltwater keeping.

 

SparkyJones thanks for the info, ur very knowledgable

 

SparkyJones thanks for the info, ur very knowledgable

Thank you, I appreciate the compliment!
I read A LOT of stuff and tend to immerse in things I'm interested in in bursts for periods of time before switching to something else. U.S. coin collecting and fishkeeping just happen to be the two hobbies and subjects I keep coming back to and can't leave alone for long without returning to them. Hahaha. Thank you!