85 Gallon Goldie tank

Discussion in 'Goldfish' started by hollie1505, Jul 13, 2014.

  1. hollie1505

    hollie1505Well Known MemberMember

    This thread is so I can receive advice/criticism for my Goldie Upgrade, I have no questions in mind (although as I type, things may pop up!) but want to put what I am doing out there as I feel a little bit lost when it comes to Goldies. I am used to owning heavily planted tropical aquariums which aren't best suited to Goldies... At least not to my diggers :)

    I recently bought an 85 Gallon upgrade for my three fancies (44x22x23) who had a 40Gallon.

    I moved them in yesterday. I took all the media out of their 40G filter and put it into their new filter. I have only put 60G of water in as it looked pretty deep compared to the 40G breeder they were housed in and plan to increase the amount by 5G per week.

    They have play sand substrate, 4 large Java Ferns and 1 large Cabomba, a chunk of bogwood and some Anubias Nana (none planted as yet, just 'plonked' in).

    I have two Ranchus coming this week for QT (25G). All being well I plan to leave them in QT for five-six weeks. Should they be in longer? What is the minimum time you would QT?

    The breeder I am using specialises in Tropicals and only sells Ranchus and Pearlscales so I am on the hunt for a Lionhead. That would bring me to 6 Fancies in 85G. How many fancies is can I 'fit' in there?

    They have an 800GPH IF and 200GPH HOB. Is that adequate filtration for Goldies?

    I do daily mini vacuums after feeding and a proper vacuum weekly and I plan to change about 25% of the water (depending on the parameters) Is that enough maintenance? Should I vac more or less?

    At the moment they are fed on flakes soaked in Garlic Guard/ Vitachem but I am planning on getting them some sinking pellets. Generally they are hand fed by my 13 month old. What can I supplement their diet with? I have all sorts of treats but I don't know how often to feed what. ie. Daphnia/bloodworm/tubifex etc is once a week enough? too much? what about spirulina?

    I am wanting to use terra cotta pots for the plants but as I only want Java ferns, Elodea and Cabomba do I need a soil substrate, ferts, tabs or is it a little pointless? The tank has 2 x 36" T8 Sun glo fluorescents.

    Is there anything I am missing that they may require?

    Any input, advice or criticism is much appreciated. thanks.x
  2. Claire Bear

    Claire BearWell Known MemberMember

    Very nice set up for your goldies and I think you will be quite pleased with the number you will have-plus the lionhead(s), especially as they grow! :)
    I would give treats (just me and no research on this one but when I had them) once a week and maybe use variety in feeding-since you have it.
    Would love to see pictures once it is up and running. I wont say finished because we never finish! :)
  3. OP

    hollie1505Well Known MemberMember

    Hi :) and thanks!

    I was hoping you would say "6 is too many" so I could get another tank! haha. I've decided that I want to buy a decent sized Lionhead, not huge as I love to see them grow but the tank looks so empty now it's doubled in size! Although with two extras on the way it will soon fill out (it's seeing it in the same room as a 32G community that now looks stuffed). I am going to wait until I see that perfect fish before I consider adding any more. Only two were specific purchases, the other a little rescue who had cycled a tank and was destined for a toilet to make way for Cichlids.

    I also think once my plants are planted and start to grow out and I have the set-up more placed it will look less like a box of water with some tiny specks in which, are actually goldfish!

    I give treats once a week but I know Goldies are better on a more veggie diet than some fish.. That's the bit I struggle with, especially when they go so mad over some Brine Shrimp or something else meaty :)

    I will post a couple of photos as soon as I find my phone (kids!) so I can see it's development and as you say... we're never finished!
    This thread is somewhere for all my excitement over this tank to pour out as I get it up and running!x

  4. Claire Bear

    Claire BearWell Known MemberMember

  5. Rivieraneo

    RivieraneoModeratorModerator Member

    Hollie, personally, i like to stock by this rule, my own rule by the way: 20 gallons for the first fancy, 10 for each additional up to (4) fancies then start rule over. In a 80 gallon tank, I would not stock more than 6 fancies. They can grow quiet large.

    With regards to water changes, the larger the better. I would recommend 75% once a week at minimum.

    Diet, I would feed a good quality staple pellet. My recommendations are NLS, Omega One or Ken's Fish food. All use great ingredients. Hikari also makes great good, though have been shy from using it any longer since some fancy goldfish owners have reported floatiness in result of it.

    Filtration, the more the better. I strive for 10x the tanks volume per hour, though also take care to manage the current and outflow when the water returns back into the tank. Spray bars work great for mitigating this. With regards to bio media, I use mechanical and bio media only. I'm not a fan of carbon or chemical media as i feel that if you need to manage a water quality issue with chemical filtration, the water issue should be corrected at the source versus trying to manage it with a separate product. I like to run a large HOB and a large canister in tandem.

    If you are able to invest in a HOB refugium, this would also add into how you manage nitrates and would allow for you to adorn your tank area with beautiful house plants as they grow and suck up nitrates in your tank.

    If possible, invest in a UV sterilizer that connects to a canister tube. I highly recommend the Aqua UV brand units.

    Air pressure, I like to use a controllable multi outlet large air pump so I have the option to run multiple air stones along with any other needed equipment which uses air for function. I like to use the air stones which produce fine bubbles as I have found that they produce less upward current when in use and the bubbles break easier at the surface helping with oxygen dissolution and contributes to less bubble chasing by your goldies at the surface.

    Plants, this is a tough one as many goldie keepers have reported their goldies eating their plants. I have ferns and swords in my tank and for the majority, my goldis leaved the large foliage alone, though anything growing young and tender, they will try their best to get at it, though my plants seem to keep up well and new leaves grow.

    Substrate, I have read horror stories of goldies eventually getting impacted due to sand. This was confirmed by the goldie keeper conducting a necropsy on the fish. This does not mean that it will necessarily happen to one of your goldies, just something to be aware about. I always recommend bare bottom or large substrate, but in the end, it's your choice.

    Temperature, I try to keep my aquarium under 80F, but since it is acrylic and with the hot So. Cal temperatures, its difficult to manage. Goldies are temperate fish, with increased temperature, their metabolism and oxygen demand increases. I've seen goldies survive constant 90F days in ponds with out issue as long as their oxygen demands are met and they have been acclimated to the temperature. This is why I like to run multiple air stones, i run (2) in my tank, one large and one medium.

    Safety, i add this section as sometimes when we set up tanks, we dont account for how large of a profile fancy goldfish actually have. Special care should be taken when setting up heaters, intake/outake pipes, hoses, UV sterilizers, decor as I have had goldies get stuck because they were trying very hard to go after a morsel of food in a tank corner and wedged themselves between a filter intake tube and the side of the tank.

    Best of luck, cant wait to see your tank up and running.
    Last edited: Jul 13, 2014
  6. OP

    hollie1505Well Known MemberMember

    Rivieraneo Thank you for the great advice.

    I will definitely up the water changes. It is actually a job I find very enjoyable!

    I will try and get my hands on some Omega One or NLS, infact... Done, Just bought some NLS goldfish pellets, thanks! I too will steer clear of the Hikari, just in case.

    My filtration is 1,000GPH for an 85G so I think I have that covered although I will increase it if needs be. I rarely use Carbon but, generally I use it for new set-up as I find they can cloud. Although, as I have all their old media I am unsure if this will still be the case. I think for now I will leave the carbon, then once it's used remove it and just put the empty bag back in. I am testing my water daily whilst I get to know the tank.

    I haven't looked into refugiums at all, so I will look into that. There is a big gap between the tank and the wall so it could work! The same for the sterilizer, I will look into it.

    I have two small air stones and a small bubble wand and they only seem to play in the bubbles rather than chase them but, I will keep an eye on them.

    Fortunately for my Goldies (not so much for me) I live in England and we don't really know what sunshine and hot weather is. Today has been described as "scorchio" with highs of 69F. Their tank isn't heated at all.

    The intakes are all baffled as I have once (years ago) had a Goldie get sucked in, horrific! and they will have terra cotta pots and some smooth wood in their tank (snag tested) so hopefully, they'll be okay.

    I finally found my phone (inside a shoe if anyone was wondering) so here are a couple of snaps (sorry no full set-up);
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    with the tank came new names (they are now 'my sons' fish so they have names after his favourite TV show, Tweenies) The orange Oranda Fantail is Bella (She had a sex change too), the white Fantail is Jake and the baby of the bunch is Fizz who is a "Calico Fantail" but I think she may be a ryukin looking at her body in this picture;
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    The two new Ranchus (Max and Milo) should be here on Tuesday, I cannot wait!x
  7. poeticinjustices

    poeticinjusticesWell Known MemberMember

    Looks great Hollie :) Can't wait to see the new guys!
  8. OP

    hollie1505Well Known MemberMember

    My Ranchus will be here in a few hours time! Their QT is lovely and clean and waiting for their arrival.

    My Terra Cotta pots should arrive tomorrow, I have the dark blue glass pebbles ready to top them with and the plants are ready and waiting for their new home. This is what it looks like for now (...Mostly. To the left of the pot there is more sand and to the right there is more Cabomba and more sand:) )

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    The Terra Cotta pot that is in there is only temporary although it may be a permanent fixture as it certainly fits the Terra Cotta theme. The wood is staying, I love this piece and want two more pieces to flank it. The glass pot the Cabomba is in is going to Percy's (The Betta) new tank and the orangey rock will probably stay. The swords will probably stay as They give a little depth to the colour of the tank along side the Java Ferns. Speaking of which, are beautiful. The leaves are about 15" tall and a lovely deep green.

    The Cabomba is lovely and tall and reaches to the top of the tank and floats across the surface. It should still reach the top and have some spread across the surface when I fill the tank but, it grows so fast anyway, it shouldn't be a problem if it doesn't. I hadn't planned on using any Cabomba but now it's in there I love it.

    Here is my lovely picture of what it will look like in my head;

    I think I may change the sand substrate with some pebbles to being pebbles with some sand. I want to either cover the sand with large beach pebbles or blue glass pebbles, I haven't quite got that far yet.

    I have increased the volume of water by 10G to 70G as they seemed to be fine with the depth.

    Again, this is another excited post that isn't really about anything but me exploding with joy :D

    Thank you all for your advice so far, I'm sure I'll need it more along the way.xx
  9. poeticinjustices

    poeticinjusticesWell Known MemberMember

    I'm so excited for you haha. And also insanely jealous and kind of hating you :p Only kidding, you'll love them. You know I feel fancy goldfish are really special and there is just something extra extraordinary about ranchu. Cannot wait to meet them.

    How old are they? Colors? Paint a mental photo for me.
  10. OP

    hollie1505Well Known MemberMember

    You'll be up and running in no time. This is all your fault anyway! :p

    They are 6 months old and bright orange. They are about 2" at the moment... I can't wait to actually see them. I always want to pick them up and squeeze them but I think that will do a little more harm than good. Just a thought ;)

    I'm so excited to see what they'll be like and how they'll get along with the others (I know thats some way away but, I'm still eager to see!

    I have chosen specific ones but the photo's are on the other computer. But, here is a picture some of their old mates to give you an idea...x


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  11. poeticinjustices

    poeticinjusticesWell Known MemberMember

    Oh they're a cute little bunch! Look like a bunch of tangerines. I love the orange/white one at the center of the top photo - reminds me of my favorite ice cream treat, orange dream bar :) And the paler one in the second photo is cute too.

    The waiting must be making you nuts. I took the day off from work when mine were due to arrive and I'm glad I did because they came super early. I was a nervous wreck trying to figure out how to gently get them out of the breather bags. I stood there holding them in the bag like an idiot for about 10 minutes. Eventually I got a shallow, wide bowl, used a turkey baster to pull out an inch of water and then just tipped the bag and ripped the bandaid off and then began acclimation. It was so nerve-wracking. I also had a brief heart attack when I saw the third one in there and now I couldn't be happier for them all, they're SO bonded. It's good you got a pair. I believe having 3 of them saved Sayuri's life. Transport is stressful, I think, no matter how well done it is. It took a full 24 hours for Sayuri to fully recover.

    Though now she's got a huge, bright red spot on her belly which I'm hoping is just some kind of breeding injury :\

    ANYWAY - When are they coming? Are they there yet? Are your two guys actually in those photos or is that just a bunch of the others?
  12. NCE12940

    NCE12940Well Known MemberMember

    Going to be a super nice setup with the gorgeous fish!
  13. OP

    hollie1505Well Known MemberMember

    THEY'RE HERE!!!!!!!

    I have gone for a yellowy/orange one with a paler tummy and a bright orange one. They are so beautiful!

    They have literally just been handed to me and I've opened the box. I am doing that thing where you stand in awe and panic. My phone has ran out of battery so no pictures yet, although I best get opening these bags and beginning acclimation.. Wish me luck!x

    EDIT: Phew! They're sat in their acclimation bucket with the hose dripping tank water into them. They seem surprisingly settled even though they're only just in the bucket but, they're scavenging around the bottom and have separated to explore their bucket.

    They look so funny. The way they swim has me giggling already. They make the Fantails look like an elegant bunch. Ever so cute.

    The Ranchus have only had bare bottom tanks whilst all the others have always had a sand substrate. This is concerning me as I have heard about sand being bad for Goldies so I definitely plan on at least beginning to cover the sand in the 85 before they move in, with a view to completing the coverage within a month of them being in.

    These aren't fancy grade Ranchus (not that I care in the slightest) and one (Milo, the bright orange one) seems to have a slightly damaged Caudal fin from their journey. I say from their journey as he didn't have them on the photos and video I saw of him. It doesn't look like major damage, it's almost a little bit curled over at the tip. I think I am only noticing because my face is about an inch from them (poor things, having to cope with me staring at them) at least I start back at work for four hours this evening to they are guaranteed some peace. I do keep saying "I'm going to stop looking at them now" and then I don't move.

    It reminds me of when my son was born and they first hand you this tiny, beautiful, helpless little baby and you just sit there with your mouth open in awe. Having my son was obviously much more amazing, but the way you just can't stop looking at them because you can't get over how amazing they are or for fear they'll get hurt, or change, or you'll miss something. The way you await their arrival and get their tank all ready for them reminds me of nesting when I was pregnant and getting the cot ready.

    I am sorry to just babble on with excitement but my other half, Tom, just gives me this strange look when I start cooing at a fish and you guys understand. If he heard me say anything about it being like a pregnancy and birth, I think he'd have me sectioned but I know these thoughts are safe here with you. You are all just like me!

    :D :D :D
    Last edited: Jul 15, 2014
  14. Coradee

    CoradeeModeratorModerator Member

    Good luck, hope they settle quickly for you, look forward to the pics :)
  15. HappyKnitter

    HappyKnitterValued MemberMember

    Your tank and goldies look great. That white sand brings out their beautiful colors. Can't wait to see your ranchus.
  16. OP

    hollie1505Well Known MemberMember

    The Pygmy Cories are gorgeous too. I can't get over how tiny they are. They are about the size of my month old molly fry.. I thought he'd sent me a bag of water to begin with!x

    @HappyKnitter Thanks! The white sand really makes them pop. I think I am going to cover it though as I am a little concerned about it blocking them up but I do love the look of the sand. It is something I am really putting some thought into. I am still unsure!x
  17. HappyKnitter

    HappyKnitterValued MemberMember


    You can put slate down on the sand like a pathway . I have three pieces of slate where I feed them this makes it easy for them to see the food and it does not fall through on the river rocks. Here is the picture of what I did. I am looking for a couple more to put along the front of the tank.

    Last edited: Jul 15, 2014
  18. OP

    hollie1505Well Known MemberMember

    HappyKnitter.. What a great idea. This was the problem I was having when considering large rocks and you have solved it! luckily for the fish the slate has been falling off my shed for the past week (not so lucky for the shed!) So I may sand it down and use that (would you boil and bleach it? or it there a really good way of ensuring it is clean?).

    And, by the way, cute fish!

    I have just netted Max and Milo and they're finally in their QT. They have gone very shy but that's quite normal so I am having trouble getting pictures. Here's what I did get that almost resemble fish;

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    This is Max, he is a yellowy orange with a nice white belly. He seems much happier than little Milo.
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    Milo is in the foreground in this picture. He is a much brighter orange, similar to Bella the Oranda Fantail and has a lighter tummy.

    I chose them to look different on purpose so my son will find it easier to distinguish between the two but, I still wanted bright ones as he likes big, bright things.

    I have some rocks to cover the sand in their QT although it is a very thin layer. I didn't want to remove it as it has been in the tank for a while and will have lots of BB in there to make them settling a smoother transition.

    My other half, Tom has spent the last 10 minutes looking into their tank, actually admiring them and commenting on their funny look. This is a big step for him as they have always been more of a pain to him than a joy. In fact, I have never seen him sat, looking into a tank in the 7 years we have lived together. He has never once said a word about them without me asking him and now he is sat smiling at the new guys. I really hope this will help him to understand my fascination/obsession with fish and aquariums and maybe I will get less of the "you're boring me now" look.

    I actually feel happy to leave him alone with the tanks for the four hours I am at work, especially with the new guys. I know he will act if he needs to (I have never doubted that, although he has no interest in them, he has a very big heart) and he knows to check Fishlore if he has any problems!

    I will try and get better photos but, for now lights out whilst they settle (I know it was naughty but I wanted to take some pictures!) and I must have a wash :) x
  19. HappyKnitter

    HappyKnitterValued MemberMember

    The slates I got are from the pet store , but I soaked them with salt for about a week in a bucket. Now I dont know anything about roof slate..or if you could use it for your fish tanks.
  20. OP

    hollie1505Well Known MemberMember

    I won't use it unless I am sure it will be safe. I will do some more research! The local supermarket has place mats which are sheets of slate the size of A4 paper and are only £6 for 4 so I am going to buy them in hopes I can use them or just to use on the table.. I don't want to miss a bargain to find they would have been perfect!

    Can I ask why you soak them in salt, please? Does it bring the toxins out? It sounds a lot less messy than a bucket of bleach solution and a toddler!

    Thanks for your advice!x

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