55 Gallon Semi-Aggressive Feedback

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  1. dlanyc

    dlanycNew MemberMember

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    I'm relatively new to the hobby, I have a 20G tall planted community tank up and running close to a year now which led me to start up a 55G semi-aggressive tank and I was just looking for some feedback.

    I'm running the Emperor 400 HOB filter along with a Cascade 1000 canister for filtration with a 425 gph Koralia powerhead. The tank is cycled, planted and in addition has driftwood, rocks and a small river rock substrate. Pic: https://www.fishlore.com/imagehost/image.php?di=FUTL

    Current stocking (all juveniles, don't know sex of any, not looking to add unless something changes with current list):

    12 Tiger Barbs
    1 Firemouth
    1 Electric Blue Acara
    2 Kribensis
    4 Nerite snails
    2 Amara Shrimp

    The only stockings issue to date is my Firemouth likes to chase off my EBA fairly regularly, the EBA is slightly bigger and doesn't seem overly concerned but should I be proactive here and ditch the Firemouth? I'd really like to keep him/her as I had one long ago that I was fond of and wasn't aggressive at all.

    I turned the return on the Cascade back against the aquarium because it seemed all the fish were having trouble swimming around the middle of the tank, is this okay?

    Looking for general feedback on the setup and input on the potential Firemouth issue, he/she is about 1.5" currently.

    Thanks
     
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    Welcome to Fishlore, hope you get some responses today
     
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    Looking to see if anyone has any feedback for me.

    The update is that for a brief period of time the EBA would stand his/her ground and the FM would always back off.

    However my buddies 2 year old son was nice enough to crack my tank and I had to do a full reboot, everyone survived but since the new setup the FM has really taken over the tank, it chases the EBA relentlessly as well as harassing the Kribs. The EBA has taken to hanging out in one of the upper back corners and I'm worried the stress is getting to it.

    I added even more plants to the new tank and tried to build a larger boundary in the center, but the FM seems to have no interest in picking a territory and has instead claimed the whole tank.

    My current inclination is to give it another 2-3 days and get rid of the FM if things don't improve.
     
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    Update (not that it seems anyone is all that interested).

    EBA got ich. I walked temp to 86 but the FM and even Tiger Barbs sensed it was weak and I woke up yesterday with it dead.

    None of the other fish showing any outward signs of ich, keeping temp at 86 with water changes every 2-3 days. I'm pretty sure it came in on the plants when I had to get the new tank, considering the stress I'm surprised there was only one casualty from all of that.

    I'm going to go back to the well once the tank is ready and get another EBA, probably one that is slightly larger than my FM.

    Does anyone have a better recommendation for new world tank mate with my FM (who I've decided to keep at this point)?
     
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    Sorry this is the first time seeing this thread. I'm assuming we are still working with a 55 gallon.

    I think the electric blue acara is a good idea. You could try a regular blue acara, or if you are wanting something with a little bit more gusto for defending against the firemouth, you could try a jack dempsey but I think you are pushing your stocking with that. May still be fine though. Another idea would be a convict. Firemouths are typically a little on the pushy side until someone stands up to it. Personally I'd probably go with an EB Jack Dempsey or a larger EB Acara.
     
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    Thanks for the feedback.

    I really like the idea of the EBJD, however I've read that health issues are very common and I'm a little spooked by that.

    Assuming I do an electric blue JD or Acara, any room/need for a Bristlenose or bottom feeder of some sort?
     
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    There isn't necessarily a need for one but I think you probably have the room for one if you want one
     
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    Update:

    So the stress of the tank moves/ich outbreak cost me the original electric blue acara, one Krib and two Tiger Barbs.

    Since then everything has stabilized (kept water at 86 with frequent water changes). I recently added a larger EBA and after a few days of territory battles with the firemouth there are no issues (the FM still chases the remaining krib occasionally).

    I'm not looking to replace the two barbs as they seem to be content in their group of 10 and don't bother anyone. I'd like to replace the krib but the FM seems to dominate them and I assume that will only get worse as it gets bigger.

    Any suggestions on the krib? Would adding more than one be of any benefit? I've added a HydroSponge IV to the Cascade 1000 and Emperor 400 so I should have plenty of filtration (tank looks great). Do I have room for another cichlid (Severum perhaps)?
     
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    Severums need a 75 minimum so I wouldn't add one that already has 3 cichlids in there. I probably wouldn't add any other cichlid right now. I think 3 cichlid species in a 55 is plenty. You have room for an additional krib but it's probably 50/50 if it would make it better or worse
     
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    So I rolled the dice, bought two more Kribs and a Rio Curua (L401) Pleco and added more driftwood and plants.

    All is now well and has been for several weeks, no more aggression, occasionally the FM will chase one of the Kribs or Kribs chase each other but nothing like it was previously.

    I'm considering the tank fully stocked at this point and have moved to twice weekly water changes up from one.
     
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