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HI guy
do you remember that because of the pregnant guppies,I separated the male guppies and put them in another tank, they were doing okay but the other day 2 of them and today another 2 males were dead, I don't know what is going on. but it seems that their caudal fins are eaten. is it a kind of dissease? or they are starting to eat each other? those 2 who died the other day were swimming near the bottom and weren't so active and they gradually died and there were no signs of rotten or eaten caudal fins but these 2 had eaten fins. I am losing the best males, could you tell me what to do?
 

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Aw, I'm sorry free.will... If you can get those readings,we can start from there. Sounds like something in the tank if they went downhill so fast.
 

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I know that with my tanks, when a fish dies, the other fish will immediately begin to eat the remains. Unless you actually witness the death, you don't know if it died as a result of injuries or the injuries occurred post-mortem.

I'm so sorry for your losses. Hopefully, we can all help you figure out what's going on with your fish. :console:
 
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guys I don't have the equipments to measure the nitrate and the others.but the tank is pretty big for them but I do water change. it's happening fast and I know I didn't change any parameters. it's been for 1 month that I separated them, but I don't know what has happened suddenly.
 

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free.will77 said:
guys I don't have the equipments to measure the nitrate and the others.but the tank is pretty big for them but I do water change. it's happening fast and I know I didn't change any parameters. it's been for 1 month that I separated them, but I don't know what has happened suddenly.

It's not that you "change any parameters". That would occur naturally.

It's really important that you get yourself a test kit (API master kit highly recommended). When there's a tank mystery to be solved, the parameters are the first thing someone will ask for, when trying to help you. The results of the testing answer many questions.

Can you bring your water to be tested at the LFS?
 
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I checked again another one has a bit corrosion (what is the word for "corrosion"?) but he's doing okay, but the other one is dying but still breathing.
 
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I mean I do want to buy a test kit but it's not common in Iran, so I can't buy any. I was looking for it but I couldn't find, maybe I should search the chemistry labs.
 

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Try eBay, if that's an option for you.

I have no luck with guppies either. They do absolutely fine for a few months, then start to get weak, stop eating, their tail end droops and then they die (the last 2 I euthanised as it is not a nice thing for them to go through). My water parameters don't change, nothing in the tank is moved and no new fish added without quarantine. It seems in my area, the guppies are weak. The only ones I have left are the fry I showed you. It is not just me with this problem, but maybe the guppies are similar and are just weak where you are...
 
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another loss

guys another one from another tank 1 pregnant guppy. guys... could you help me?
 
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it may sounds a bit stupid but maybe it's because of the weather... 3 days with thunders.
 

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Are there any symptoms? The sooner you get the water tested the better, I would do a water change just now to keep the tank nice and clean...

Do you have any pics, or anything for us to see? By 'corrosion', do you mean they have scrapes on them? Maybe they are getting hurt on something in the tank and an infection is getting in, or it may be some kind of disease. Oooh, I'm racking my brains here. Here's a link to a site that could help diagnose it...

With my guppies, there's no disease, they just pass on after getting weak like I said...
 
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honey I'm going to draw a picture of a dead one and I will attach it for you to see.
 
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maybe it's finrot or bacterial disease based on that page. honey you are helping me very much, I am so grateful to you.
 

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bahar, can you please give us more detail about the situation? I know you don't know where to get a test, but could you please tell us this?

- what water conditioner you use
- how big is the tank
- how many fish are in it
- is it heated and filtered
- do you use any other products except for conditioner
- how often do you do water changes
 

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The best I can advise is to do daily partial water changes. If you can get your hands on Prime or Amelquel+ water conditioners, that would be great. The more pristine the water, the better chance your fish have.

Keep the water fresh, and use conditioner.
 
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I went to a fish store, they didn't have any test kits.thank you so much guys for helping me the size is 16 litre, and there are 6 fishes in it, of course 3 of them are not big enough to call them mature male guppies. yes it's heated and filtered, but I don't have any conditioner, because I don't know what it is. ( is it some kind of solution that we use to De-Chlorinate water?) once a week I do waterchange.and I feed them 3 times a day.
 
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one of them has something like a small scrape on it's fin. I don't want to lose the fries which I raised I hate this. maybe it's finrot. but I am not sure, would be alright if I add the drug for rotten fins?
 

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There are way too many fish in that size tank, which is likely leading to water quality issues. I advise doing 50 percent water changes daily with prime or amquel and consider cutting back on the amount of fish you keep in this tank
 

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jetajockey said:
There are way too many fish in that size tank, which is likely leading to water quality issues. I advise doing 50 percent water changes daily with prime or amquel and consider cutting back on the amount of fish you keep in this tank
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okay guys so I think I'd better put some of them back to their original tank, but with once a week water change, do you still think there might be a problem of water quality issue? and why 4 deads in 48 hours? I think if there had been a problem with water quality, the fries ( which are much weaker than the adults) must have been died instead of tha adults. what do you think of that?please.
 

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You asked me in a visitor message if you should use medication for fin rot. I'm posting my response here so that you can get other opinions as well.

I personally would not use medication for fin rot. You don't even know for sure that's the problem. If it is the problem, then making sure the water conditions are good would probably fix the issue anyway.

I will still say daily water changes for a couple of weeks, with a good water conditioner/dechlorinator.
 

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I believe it is a longstanding issue, 16 liters is only a 4 gallon tank. The larger ones probably died first because they have been exposed to the toxic levels for a longer period of time. This is an assumption of course.

I would do a very large 75% water change, and then 50% water changes daily, vacuuming the gravel very well of any debris, until you can get a test kit, and yes if you can move them to a larger tank please do, this 16L tank is good for fry only in my opinion. Take care!
 

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Meenu said:
You asked me in a visitor message if you should use medication for fin rot. I'm posting my response here so that you can get other opinions as well.

I personally would not use medication for fin rot. You don't even know for sure that's the problem. If it is the problem, then making sure the water conditions are good would probably fix the issue anyway.

I will still say daily water changes for a couple of weeks, with a good water conditioner/dechlorinator.
Agreed with Meenu, the fin rot issue or other diseases you are seeing are likely caused from stress due to water quality issues and cramped living quarters. I would work on those first and then address any type of disease later .

Clean fresh water (dechlorinated) is often the best first treatment (and safest) for many different fish issues.
 
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thank you so much guys, I don't know what could I do without you. okay I should do the water change, it's 1:40 am and I have to wait until the morning, guys wish me luck.

love you guys, you can't imagine how much
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I would also cut down on the feeding. 3 Times a day is too much. Try once a day, maybe even every other day just until they are stable and the water is fixed up.
 
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I think you're right. but they seem always starving and I can't resist it. but okay. I will keep you informed.
 
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the most beautiful male guppy is dead

I woke up in the morning and I found its dead body, it gave me great sorrow because he was so beautiful and I had looked every store to buy it. I put the other back in the original tank. it seems they are okay but it just seems. I feel so depressed.
do you believe it that I lost 6 guppies by now? during 2 days?
 

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