20 Long Planted Pea Puffer Build - Page 2

AP1

Just read through all of this. Great looking tank and congrats on the purchase. ( and source-- I respect AquaticArts and their philosophy/ethics)
 

jmaldo

Oh and make sure to medicate them!
I have never used meds prophylactically.
During research it has been advised if wild caught to use some type of deworming medication. But these are tank-bred, is it still necessary?
 

TheAnglerAquarist

I have never used meds prophylactically.
During research it has been advised if wild caught to use some type of deworming medication. But these are tank-bred, is it still necessary?
It depends on how stressed they are, they could still get ick from stress but being tank bred will help!
 

AP1

Isn't there also an argument that a prophylactic meds regime can be a cause of stress/disease itself? You might consider calling AquaticArts to see what their recommendation is. I imagine the recommendation might be rather species specific?
 

TheAnglerAquarist

Have they arrived yet?
 

jmaldo

Isn't there also an argument that a prophylactic meds regime can be a cause of stress/disease itself? You might consider calling AquaticArts to see what their recommendation is. I imagine the recommendation might be rather species specific?
Agree... I sent the email already for their recommendation.
Will post their reply...
Have they arrived yet?
They have a 1 to 9 day handling time and ship overnight
So, hopefully next week
Fingers-crossed...

Ok, just got the reply from "Aquatic Arts"

Me:
During my research it has been recommended to prophylactically treat (Dewormer) wild caught Puffers.
Since these are tank-bred what is your recommendation?

AA:
"Thank you for your inquiry. You can do this but medicating is stressful for the fish. We do not believe in medicating unless there is a perceived problem."
 

jmaldo

Well in preparation for the arrivals, gave the tank a water change and substrate vacuum. Also, I will be picking up some shrimp and Java moss from Pwilly07 tomorrow, want to tie some to the driftwood branches I have in there.

Will post a pic tomorrow after the "Under-watering" gardening and adding the shrimp.
 

ChrissFishes01

Agree... I sent the email already for their recommendation.
Will post their reply...

They have a 1 to 9 day handling time and ship overnight
So, hopefully next week
Fingers-crossed...

Ok, just got the reply from "Aquatic Arts"

Me:
During my research it has been recommended to prophylactically treat (Dewormer) wild caught Puffers.
Since these are tank-bred what is your recommendation?

AA:
"Thank you for your inquiry. You can do this but medicating is stressful for the fish. We do not believe in medicating unless there is a perceived problem."
Just read through the thread - can't wait to see the little guys!

To clarify on my experience with prophylactic treatment on puffers:

Almost all puffers in the trade are wild-caught, and almost all of those come in with pretty severe internal worms. They're usually underweight, too, since wholesalers and transshippers have been known to feed very little or incorrect foods to the puffers in general - a lot of the time, they won't get to eat from the time they've been caught until they hit a store's tank, and sometimes the store itself doesn't even feed them high-quality frozen. So, if you're purchasing a puffer that's not captive-bred, I would 100% treat them prophylactically, to avoid losing that fish. I always use Praziquantel and Metronidazol, both of which are very gentle - I'm not sure I'd agree they stress the fish much (if at all) in correct dosages, and they give pretty much immediate relief to a fish that's been infected by most internal parasites.

For captive-bred fish, there's no reason to do this - puffers aren't inherently more likely to get parasites, and they're not more sensitive to them either (to my knowledge). It's just lack of care during transit, from what I've heard and experienced.
 

jmaldo

Hey ChrissFishes01
Been viewing your Puffer vids on YouTube.


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Thanks for sharing...

Question though,
I see a powerhead in the tank and with the research I have done. They recommend more of current free tank due to their small finage, no problems with yours?
 

ChrissFishes01

Hey ChrissFishes01
Been viewing your Puffer vids on YouTube.


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Thanks for sharing...

Question though,
I see a powerhead in the tank and with the research I have done. They recommend more of current free tank due to their small finage, no problems with yours?
Thanks for watching!

I believe you're talking about my Green Spotted Puffer, right? I used an Aqueon 950 Powerhead in that tank, and it wasn't that high of a flow rate. It had a high flow area in the center, but not much on the sides. He swam in the flow quite a bit, so I never saw it as a problem!

This particular species is usually okay with higher flow, as are most marine species (or, in this case, brackish species that occasionally enter the ocean). Most species will most likely prefer a lower-flow tank, or a tank with high and low flow areas.

However, I think it's worth noting that a number of puffers come from relatively high-flow rivers, so I think they can handle more flow than most people give them credit for. For DPs, I'd probably stick with a sponge filter, or a very weak power filter!
 

jmaldo

Update...
Added the Java moss and the shrimp.
Tank is ready for the "Puffers" when they arrive....
ChrissFishes01 After seeing the powerhead, I decided to hook-up a small Eheim 2211 will see how they do. If they are fine and enjoy the current then I'll remove the Qanvee moving bed filter it's kinda of large for the tank.
And now the reveal...


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Oh and one of the shrimp .....


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"Thanks" Pwilly07
 

ChrissFishes01

Looking good! As long as there are calm areas of the tank, they should be just fine - if they seem to avoid high flow areas, it's probably too much.
 

jmaldo

TheAnglerAquarist

Acclimating and got some pics before releasing.


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YAY! A couple of them look pretty fat, good.
 

AP1

Fantastic! Do post thoughts on keeping the puffers with shrimp once you've gotten a handle on how this is working out. I would be somewhat interested in adding puffers to my CPD + shrimp tank if this seems to work well.
 

ChrissFishes01

Fantastic! Do post thoughts on keeping the puffers with shrimp once you've gotten a handle on how this is working out. I would be somewhat interested in adding puffers to my CPD + shrimp tank if this seems to work well.
Mine don't usually bother shrimp - shrimplets, for sure, but adults are safe. I think it's more down to individuals, though! I'd honestly be concerned about them chasing the CPDs more than the shrimp.

They look great, jmaldo ! Congrats.
 

TheAnglerAquarist

so, have you released them to their paradise yet?
 

jmaldo

They are exploring their new home. So small, in fact some of the shrimp are the same size. Just a couple of quick not so good pics. The 2nd pic shows the size comparison to a ramshorn.



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I'll try to get better pics this weekend.
 

TheAnglerAquarist

They are exploring their new home. So small, in fact some of the shrimp are the same size. Just a couple of quick not so good pics. The 2nd pic shows the size comparison to a ramshorn.



Puffers 2.jpg

Puffers 3.jpg

I'll try to get better pics this weekend.
So cute!
 

ChrissFishes01

They look great! I see some nice bellies on them, too. Have they taken food yet?
 

jmaldo

I've noticed them picking at stuff on the leaves and sand. Just tried feeding them some brine shrimp and bloodworms. They noticed them but no takers. Will try again tonight.
Fingers crossed...
 

ChrissFishes01

I've noticed them picking at stuff on the leaves and sand. Just tried feeding them some brine shrimp and bloodworms. They noticed them but no takers. Will try again tonight.
Fingers crossed...
I wouldn't be too worried yet. Puffers are known to go on hunger strikes after big stress events. As long as none of them are emaciated, they'll be okay!
 

jmaldo

Well, the "Beans" are doing fine. Just so tiny, for comparison. I have raised a few types of "Cichlids" so they are approx. the size of maybe 8 -10 week old juveniles.
Yesterday, I could only locate 4 , had my son "Eagle Eye" take a look he found 5. They are fascinating to watch. Still trying to feed, no takers. But I did witness one them taking bites out of a Ramshorn and others pecking at the plants.
Time will tell...
 

jmaldo

Watching the tank today and I noticed some missing little bites out of some driftwood branches. Anyone know if the peas will take bites?
 

ChrissFishes01

Watching the tank today and I noticed some missing little bites out of some driftwood branches. Anyone know if the peas will take bites?
I've never noticed that, but if the driftwood has been wet for a while there might be little pods and other bugs on it that they're picking off and getting wood in the process.
 

jmaldo

The pieces have been in since I started and have some algae growth, maybe they were trying to get some baby ramshorns /eggs or other little critters? I noticed their bellies still plumb. So they are eating something.
Just surprising to see the little bits taken, I'll try to get some pics...
 

jmaldo

Disappointing Update. :(
I have lost maybe 3 could only see 3 swimming around. My son found one yesterday on the sand it had a chunk missing. And I just found one floating this morning, with a chunk missing. Not sure, whats going on. The water parameters are fine. Could be the stress from shipping, or "Hierarchy" no way to tell. Fingers-crossed...
 

ChrissFishes01

How do their bellies look? Sunken in, or a little chunky?

You say a chunk missing - out of the fins or body?
 

jmaldo

Son found another one last night. Well down to "2".

How do their bellies look? Sunken in, or a little chunky?

You say a chunk missing - out of the fins or body?

One appears to have a bit of a belly the other not so much. Of the 3 found dead, two had a fin missing, and one it appeared part of the belly gone.

???
 

TheAnglerAquarist

Son found another one last night. Well down to "2".



One appears to have a bit of a belly the other not so much. Of the 3 found dead, two had a fin missing, and one it appeared part of the belly gone.

???
They are probably stressed and hungry that’s why they are cannibalistic. It’s not your fault though. This is why I wouldn’t buy puffers in groups online, unless it’s flip aquatics.
 

jmaldo

Thanks, for the theory it is a possibility, just so surprising and difficult to deal with. Just thought having a juvenile group might work. Probably will never know for sure. The 2 remaining do cruise the tank together.
Fingers-crossed....
 

kallililly1973

When we had our 8 gallon puffer tank we started wit 2 and as early as the next day one was already gone and no remains to b found but the other one lived a good life for a couple years and we even had a couple little guppies and an otto cat in there and all he ever cared about was his frozen bloodworms and an occasional ramshorn snail. Hopefully your 2 remaining ones will coexist with each other. Good luck sorry for the losses.
 

TheAnglerAquarist

When we had our 8 gallon puffer tank we started wit 2 and as early as the next day one was already gone and no remains to b found but the other one lived a good life for a couple years and we even had a couple little guppies and an otto cat in there and all he ever cared about was his frozen bloodworms and an occasional ramshorn snail. Hopefully your 2 remaining ones will coexist with each other. Good luck sorry for the losses.
I am so excited to get mine or maybe a pair in a 5-10 gallon (depends on how many)
 

ChrissFishes01

Hopefully the remaining two do well.

I really, really do think these guys are better off in solo tanks. I've never had issues keeping them that way (they don't get bored, sad, and don't behave any differently than I'd expect from a puffer), and they are aggressive fish, plain and simple.

Very similar to betta sororites - can it be done? Of course! But they're aggressive fish, and every time you attempt it, you risk having them turn on each other and starting a little mini-world war.

Not saying that this is your fault at all, jmaldo - I know you're giving them the best care, and the deaths may be more related to illness or hunger than anything else. I just hate seeing that same advice being regurgitated over and over, seemingly without thought to their aggressive tendencies.
 

jmaldo

Thanks Everyone!
Well, the 2 are still with me. They do swim together and have nibbled on some worms and brine shrimp, fingers-crossed....
 

jmaldo

Well water change today, they are still with me, in fact they came over to the siphon tube to check it out.
Just watched a vid of ChrissFishes01 feeding his puffer with tweezers.
Gonna give a try tomorrow.

 

Basil

I feed mine with a transfer pipet. Same idea! :D
 

TheAnglerAquarist

Well water change today, they are still with me, in fact they came over to the siphon tube to check it out.
Just watched a vid of ChrissFishes01 feeding his puffer with tweezers.
Gonna give a try tomorrow.

They might need to be trained to do that but once they do it will be efficient!
 

ChrissFishes01

Well water change today, they are still with me, in fact they came over to the siphon tube to check it out.
Just watched a vid of ChrissFishes01 feeding his puffer with tweezers.
Gonna give a try tomorrow.

Glad you watched ;)

I like how it trains the fish to associate my hand with food - keeps them from freaking out and panicking every time my hand is in the tank. I can't exactly hold 1-2 bloodworms, so tweezers are a nice compromise :)
 

jmaldo

Fed some bloodworms/brine shrimp to them a couple of hours ago. They were interested and even saw them take a bite of two. So here are a pics, very poor quality but.. at least they are eating. Used a pipette to squirt close to them, will eventually try the tweezers. Gotta find the macro lens attachment I purchased for the phone a few years ago.


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