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Old August 10th, 2006  
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Hello - New to the Forum

Hello everyone,

I'm new here and new to the hobby. It all started for me when I attended a company dinner in which small bowls with two goldfish in them were used as centerpieces. A cruel practice, really. The bowls were so small that the fish were sure to die within 24 hours. There was no cover, and they were obviously miserable. Anyway, I took our centerpiece home (as did several others), and went to the pet store the next morning with my two boys (2 and 4 years old) to buy a small 3 gallon Eclipse tank, which has been up and running for about 11 days. I liked the little Eclipse 3 so much that within a week I had a 30 gallon tank with an Eclipse 2 for "daddy," which has been up and running for 6 days.

The goldfish in the 3 gallon are thriving, although it is pretty obvious to me that the tank is already a bit overloaded (4" of dirty fish in there). While it's cycling, I'm doing a 15% change every 2 days, so the fish are happy, but I'm trying to figure out how to tell my boys that Harry and Bobby are going to have to go back to the store to get a new home in a bigger tank! I'm thinking that the 3 gallon will become my quarantine tank, or (depending upon the boys' reaction) perhaps a home for a small (6 or so) school of cardinal tetras.

I'm cycling the 30 gallon with a school of 5 Tiger Barbs (yes, I'm aware of their reputation, but I'm hoping that they will keep to themselves since I have 5 of them, and I'm thinking of adding sixth). I just love the looks of the Tiger Barbs, and I am also attracted by their active nature.

Before I get to my question, here are the basic water parameters for my 30 gallon tank: pH 7.0; Alk 80; Hardness 120; nitrite 0; nitrate 0; ammonia <.25; 78 degrees F. 15% water change every 2-4 days while it's cycling. I'm not using any cycling boosters or anything like that. I do condition the water to detoxify it. Feeding lightly once a day using Tetra flakes, and frozen bloodworms every couple of days as a treat. Lights on for 12 hours a day total, but not continuously (we turn them off when we leave, or are not going to be in the room for a while).

Now my question. For the last 3 days, the Tiger Barbs do nothing but hide, pretty much all the time. At first, the Tiger Barbs acted like Tiger Barbs, swimming throughout the tank very actively in a school, and chasing each other around. Then they started fighting, which I assumed was a perfectly natural event to establish a pecking order. It does not appear that anyone got hurt (fins intact, etc.). Then for a day or so, the dominant fish would hang out in the open while the other four hid most of the time. Whenever one would come out, the dominant fish would chase him back into hiding. This went on for about a day. Now they seem to all hide all the time. I fed them last night and no one came out to eat! However, this morning the food seems to be gone. When you turn out the lights, two or three of them sometimes will come out. They seem to be very aware of what's going on outside the tank, and if they are out they will go into hiding if someone approaches the tank.

So, I'm thinking there are a couple of possibilities: (1) they are still getting used to their new environment, and this will all work itself out in time (they have been in the tank for 5 days); (2) there is some problem, possibly stemming from the aggressive behavior of the Alpha-fish, that has basically destroyed the playful schooling behavior that makes these fish so appealing in the first place.

I'm considering what, if anything to do, and I'm thinking that my first step may be to add a sixth Tiger Barb to see if that helps the social dynamic at all.

Sorry for the very long first post, but thoughts are appreciated. Thanks in advance.

--Adam

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Old August 10th, 2006  
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Re: Hello - New to the Forum

Welcome to FishLore Adam!!! I just know you'll like it here. There are people of all ages and experience levels and we all like to talk about our tanks and fishes
first off I'm glad you realize that tank is too small for your goldfish, they need at least 30G of water(20G for the first GF and 10G for each additional GF), they are also cool water fish so you don't need a heater. I'm sure the boys would love that
Here are some articles that will make your life a lot easier. Enjoy the reading!!
http://www.fishlore.com/Forum/index.php?topic=620.0
And again welcome.
Carol
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Old August 10th, 2006  
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Re: Hello - New to the Forum

Welcome Adam
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Old August 10th, 2006  
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Welcome to Fish Lore I'm glad you took the fish home. And I am happy I never saw anything like this at any restaurant. If I saw fish in such conditions at some restaurant, they would have a big trouble trying to get rid of me! The management would have to deal with me until the fish got the home they deserved. Period.

Besides, if your ammonia is 0.25 this is what probably causes the shy behavior of your fish. Don't be surprised if they get sick. Any presence (even in smallest amounts) of ammonia and nitrite can make your fish sick, and even kill them. Please read about the nitrogen cycle on Fish Lore and many other articles for beginners. It's best not to add any fish to a tank until it's fully cycled. And even after it's cycled, it best to stock a tank gradually (and not adding many fish at once).
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Old August 10th, 2006  
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Re: Hello - New to the Forum

Adam has posted a cross post in general lets post all the fishie advice over there so it will all be in one place. Thanks
Carol
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Old August 10th, 2006  
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Re: Hello - New to the Forum

hi Adam! Welcome to Fishlore and fishkeeping! It has been a stressful and exciting journey for me so far. Everyone here has made it interesting and fun. The stress is due to the mistakes I'm making as I go. I'm a worry wart concerning these beautiful, helpless creatures in my care! Have fun! My daughter loves the fish as much as I!
Denise
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Old August 10th, 2006  
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Thanks for the welcome! I'm sure I'll make lots of mistakes too, but I'm trying not to.
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