griffin

about adding the dechlor/water order. i would think that you should add the dechlor first (even if it's directly to your tank), and then water to tank. i think that's what most people with a python do.

sgould

I would think so too. Python people?

sick-lid boy

I was thinking about that... and wondering if it would work. I don't see why it wouldn't. I just hate to take chances with my Discus. Besides being ridiculously expensive, I really love those those guys and would hate to kill them all in one fell swoop. That would seriously suck.

armadillo

What's fishless ammonia cycling? Is it basically fishless cycling? Because I didn't think you could add a whole bunch of fish at once after fishless cycling. Is fishless ammonia cycling when you add increasing amounts of ammonia every time your ammonia levels go down?

Trpimp147

i see the 5 foot reach is great, an awsome work out haha. when adding water to my tank i use the bucket and add declor the day before to the bucket then add it while adding the rest because i only have one bucket.


i put my 3 cichlids in there new home from a 10gal tank to a 75gal they swam like crazy!!! one end to the other end like 30 times in 5 mins. i told them to slow down they will get tired. they didnt listen (jerks)haha.

griffin

yeah, it's basically fishless cycling, but instead of using flake or whatever else you would use to provide the ammonia, you would use pure ammonia. you can add the full load of fish immediately after a large water change because your fish will not produce nearly as much ammonia as you were putting in, so it won't cause a mini cycle.

musicman4567

So, if I were to get a python, do I condition the tank water then turn it on to fill the tank? Because they take water direct from the tap... I was tryin to figure out how that works...
Edit:
Heh, I just read the rest of the forum.. didn't see page 2. anyways, I don't think an answer ever came up though.

musicman4567

Ok. I'm now going to answer my own question. I just did some research on Pythons and products such as those. Supposedly the way the water flows into your tank from these products aerates it, eliminating the majority of the chlorine found in tap water. I can't find anything about chloramines, I'm assuming it is the same as the aged water answer: they aren't gotten rid of without chemicals. Python suggests that if you need to use a form of water treatment when filling, you add it to the stream of water. I'm not sure how you would measure the conditioner then... Perhaps do some computations to figure out the volume of a drop of conditioner and the volume of water you are replacing and use that... :P

tan.b

mmm, wish i had the answers for you! look forward to seeing someone else answer though!

armadillo

Hi Musicman. I've mused about this too, and other members helped out. The fishlore members that use Python that participated in that conversation said they conditioned the tank water directly in the tank before adding the tap water. They use the amount of conditionner corresponding to the amount of replaced/new water they are about to put in.

What I wonder about Python is: is the only advantage really that you don't need to go back and forth with buckets? I mean, it won't vaccuum for you, will it?

Luniyn

The Python is a vacuum yes. Its basically a powered siphon tube (powered in that the sink starts up the suction for you). And yes the benefit is that you don't have to deal with buckets. If you only have small tanks then it's not that big of a deal (at least it isn't for me and my 20 Gal as I just use a regular siphon tube). It's more suited to people with large tanks that don't want to haul 4 or 5 buckets of water per every water change. And yes as Armadillo stated, you add enough conditioner to treat the amount of water being replaced into the tank. The conditioner will only react with the untreated water and won't be wasted on the already treated water. And if it runs out of water to treat it will actually just sit in your tank waiting for the opportunity to treat the next batch of water that gets put in. So there really isn't anything to worry about as far as the conditioner goes and the Python.

Newtankdude

pour the water into the filter, it wont stirrup the tank and you can pour it pretty fast.

armadillo

I myself am sticking to my water can idea to pour water back in. I love it, and so do the fish! They all come to the surface as if it was raining.

choochiegirl

watering can?!?! what an awesome idea!!! I have a hard time with the bucket since my tank is in the basement and my taps and drain are upstairs so I get a good workout when I change water, but a watering can will help me splash less and will not knock over my plants. Still will need a bucket to drain but that's ok!

armadillo

Oh they love it. I got this 10L one, so it's exactly the same volume as my bucket and yes, I still need buckets for the emptying the water from the tank part. Honestly, water change has become party time. They all come at the surface to check what's going on. The fry love it too. And now I love doing it too because they clearly enjoy the fake rain! Great advantage: won't disturb your substrate at all.

Boy was I smug with that idea. I'd never thought you could be excited going to the hardware store to buy a 3 dollar watering can!

Trpimp147

haha sounds fun my fish love it when i dump the bucket in the tank. i also like when it stirs up the tank bottem gives the fish somthing diff looking to swim in or somthing for them to move back haha

armadillo

Oh, funny. Mine really hated the disturbance. It is fun, though. Of course, there's the couple of times when I am impatient so I pour half the water on the side because I just tilt it in one go, like an idiot. I'll learn, really, I'll learn.

jack11

For returning water to my tank i use a funnel and a length of hose and simply insert the funnel into the hose then put the other end of the hose into the tank and curl it upwards then pour the water into the funnel. this gives you complete control of where the water goes.

jack.