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Old May 14th, 2009  
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Is this Ich?

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Old May 15th, 2009  
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Good morning. It's a bit difficult to tell. At one glance the big fish (sorry don't know what kind it is but it's beautiful) looked kind of like it had been sprinkled with salt. If so, then yes it is more than likely ICK.
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Old May 15th, 2009  
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It's a Holacanthus Passer (King Angelfish)
I was thinking the same so I started treating him for ICH. I'm dropping the salinity to about 14 ppt
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Old May 15th, 2009  
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I thought it was some type of salt Angel but wasn't sure. I've never kept salt water fish so I can only tell you what I would do with fresh water. What are you using to treat the ICK? Raise your temperature in the tank to 84F or 85F degrees and leave it there for two weeks. Do a substrate vacuum every other day to remove spores that have fallen off the fish and into the substrate. Ick can't survive in temps over 82F. If it isn't a severe case then I would not add medicines to the tank just yet. A lot of meds may HARM your cycle and cause you to lose all of your good bacteria.

Last edited by aquarist48; May 15th, 2009 at 09:14 AM.
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Old May 15th, 2009  
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No, he's in quarantine as I just got him last week. I am lowering the salinity down to 14 ppt which I've read is much safer iin the long run on the overall health of the fish. There is no substrate as he is in QT. Marine Ich and Freshwater Ich are not the same actually. I've been doing lots of research lately and what do you know this is my first Ich case I've ever had to deal with in Saltwater Hobby. I hope to have him well soon. It will remain low salinity for atleast 3 weeks or longr but 3 weeks minimum. He will remain in QT 6 weeks minimumstarting tomorrow actually. There is also a clown in there and I have another clown I had to take out and place with the Orchid Dottybacks so I will have to monitor them too, they are in a breeding tank and not in the main display either. Thank God!!

Thanks for the help and response though
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Old May 15th, 2009  
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Thanks for letting me know that salt ICK and fresh water ICK are not the same. I'm glad you have it in a quarantine tank. It is truly beautiful! I hope it all goes well.
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Old May 16th, 2009  
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Freshwater Ich

The ciliate, Ichthyophthirius multifiliis, is an obligate parasite that affects all species of freshwater fish, causing the disease ichthyophthiriasis, which is commonly referred to as ich or white spot. I. multifiliis is one of the most prevelant protozoan parasites of fish and is an important pathogen of ornamental and farm-raised food fish species when reared under intensive conditions. Wild fish populations are also susceptible and outbreaks are occasionally seen. There are few aquarists that have not met it on one or more occasions[1]. The I. multifiliis life cycle consists of the free-swimming, highly motile infective theront, which is approximately 40-50 microns in length; the fish associated trophont, which grows up to 800 microns in diameter; and the reproductive trophont, which leaves the fish and secretes a gelatinous cyst, in which it undergoes 7-9 divisions to produce 800-1000 daughter tomites. Highly dependant on water temperature, the entire life-cycle takes approximately 7 days at 25 degrees C to 8 weeks at 6 degrees C. Marine ich is caused by a different ciliate, Cryptocaryon. Like other ciliates, I. multifiliis cells have a transcriptionally inactive germline micronucleus and a transcriptionally active somatic macronucleus.



Marine Ich

Cryptocaryon irritans is a species of ciliate protozoa that parasitizes marine fishB, and is one of the most common causes of disease in marine aquaria. The symptoms and life-cycle are generally similar to those of Ichthyophthirius in freshwater fish, including white spots, on account of which Cryptocaryon is usually called marine ich. However, Cryptocaryon can spend a much longer time encysted.

Infections can be extremely difficult to treat because of other creatures, such as corals and other invertebrates, which will not survive standard treatments. Ideally fish with Cryptocaryon are quarantined in a hospital tank, where they can be treated with a copper salt or using hyposalinity. The display tank needs to be kept clear of fish for 6-9 weeks, the longer the better. This gives time for the encysted tomonts to release infectious theronts, which die within 24-48 hours when they cannot find a host.

Cryptocaryon irritans was originally classified as Ichthyophthirius marinus, but it is not closely related to the other species. It belongs to the class Prostomatea, but beyond that its placement is still uncertain.

Useful treatments of Cryptocaryon irritans are copper solutions, formalin solutions, and quinine based drugs (such as Chloroquine phosphate and Quinine Diphosphate).





By the way, I've decided to go with Copper (Cupramine) to treat my fish as I've discovered that Hyposalinity works but generally outbreaks will occur as it doesn't typically kill all. I trust Bob Fenner as a great source for information on care for my fish and that's where I got this bit of info, www.wetwebmedia.com

Added Cupramine yesterday and the spot seem to just disappear gradually. This morning they appear to be gone. I'll continue this process for the recommended treatment timeframe.

Last edited by galvatron3000; May 16th, 2009 at 04:12 PM.
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Old May 17th, 2009  
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Glad to hear your fish is making progress!
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