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October 17th, 2009
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| first SW
so i'am starting a 20g reef it will be my first SW so i need everything and im not shure what to get
here is what i have planed
equipment
(chek)1)20g
2) DIY LED lights(planed just wating on funds)
3) ? kg live rock(got it in a buke.it was free from a friend
4) ? kg live sand
(chek)5)heter(100w)
6)eletric thermometer
7)SW master test kit
8) refractometer
9)marine salt(4kg) =$7
live stock
-fish
1)2 orange ocellaris(clown fish) =$19
2)clean up crew (10 snails and 10 hermits)=$30
-corals
1)beginers frag pack (it something that my LFS does it's were u tell them your requerments and they put to gether a pack of 4 sutable coals)=$37
possiably BTA later on  ??
probaly 3 sexy shrimp later on
cheers, brad
if u have all ready read this ples read again it has changed
Last edited by bradisfun; October 19th, 2009 at 05:23 PM.
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October 17th, 2009
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| | Fish Keeper
| Quote:
Originally Posted by bradisfun  so i'am starting a 2.5g pico reef it will be my first SW so i need everything and im not shure what to get
and i know that i'm up for a chaleng but i'm redy for one.(i hope).
here is what i have planed
equipment
(chek)1)2.5g with built in fillter/fuge 50gph power head
2)DIY led lights(planed just wating on funds)
3) ? kg live rock
4) ? kg live sand
5)heter
6)eletric thermometer
7)SW master test kit
8)refractometer
9)marine salt(4kg) =$7
live stock
-fish
1)1 cown globy
or1 blue neon globy
3)1 orange ocellaris(clowny.i would only have him in there while he is small =$19
4)clean up crew (10 snails and 10 hermits)=$30
-corals
1)beginers frag pack (it something that my lfs does it's were u tell them your requerments and they put to gether a pack of sutable coals)=$37
possiably BTA later on ??
probaly 3 sexy shrimp later on
cheers, brad | The 2.5 might be too small for 3 fish, 2 shrimp, 10 snails and 10 crabs.
I have a 10 gallon that has 3 fish, 1 shrimp, 1 snail and 2 crabs. | |
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October 17th, 2009
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| | Fish Mentor
| Definately too small. Minimum recommended tank size for the gobies is 10 gallons. 20 gallons for the ocellaris. Quite honestly, for a 2.5, you might want to consider just keeping it a coral/invert setup with no fish. Such set ups can still be great looking tanks.
As for the equipment list, you would not need much rock or sand for that size. Maybe 3 lbs of rock. Sand would be up to you as far as the look you want/how deep you want the bed...less than 5 lbs though.
Good luck with the new tank! | |
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October 17th, 2009
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| | Fish Helper
| i have a goby and soon firefish in a 5.5 i believe if you get a smaller goby without any other fish, maybe a small shrimp/other invert, and 1 snail and 1 hermit. Generally youll want about 1 cleaner (snail/hermit crab) per gallon. I would say go for either the invert or the fish | |
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October 17th, 2009
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| | Fish Mentor
| Hi Brad.
Congrats in choosing to get your first SW tank. Hope it turns out great! Best of luck!  | |
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October 17th, 2009
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| | Fish Bum
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Originally Posted by sgould Definately too small. Minimum recommended tank size for the gobies is 10 gallons. 20 gallons for the ocellaris. Quite honestly, for a 2.5, you might want to consider just keeping it a coral/invert setup with no fish. Such set ups can still be great looking tanks.
thanks for your consern but i'm only going to be borowing small one's form a frend who breads them but, look at this http://www.nano-reef.com/forums/inde...howtopic=74703 this guy has done all the reserch but i''m not crule i won't keep them in there once they get biger
As for the equipment list, you would not need much rock or sand for that size. Maybe 3 lbs of rock. Sand would be up to you as far as the look you want/how deep you want the bed...less than 5 lbs though.
Good luck with the new tank! | Quote:
Originally Posted by smileyfish i have a goby and soon firefish in a 5.5 i believe if you get a smaller goby without any other fish, maybe a small shrimp/other invert, and 1 snail and 1 hermit. Generally youll want about 1 cleaner (snail/hermit crab) per gallon. I would say go for either the invert or the fish | again i'v done a lot of re cerch (well look at others and see what they do ) here are som more people that have done it http://www.nano-reef.com/forums/inde...owtopic=207284 http://www.nano-reef.com/forums/inde...c=166209&st=80 http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...1699956&page=2 Quote:
Originally Posted by peacemaker92 Hi Brad.
Congrats in choosing to get your first SW tank. Hope it turns out great! Best of luck! | thanks to all of u after hereing that i'm not going the clean up cruw
and thanks sgould forthe LR and LS wegiht suggestions | |
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October 17th, 2009
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| | Fish Helper
| well i think a snail/hermit or two isnt a bad idea i mean they arent going to add a huge bioload and theyll clean the tank. I would go for 1 snail/1 hermit and then maybe an orchid dottyback at most. A smaller goby or maybe an engineer goby or two.
Just suggestions.  | |
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October 17th, 2009
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| | Fish Mentor
| No worries bradisfun...ultimately it is YOUR tank! I will point out that the link you provided does not even recommend an ocellaris in a 2.5 gallon, and I will stand behind my original recommendation. However, again, it is clearly your decision, and I wish you the best of luck as you set it up!
What types of coral frags are you getting in your pack? | |
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October 18th, 2009
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| | Fish Lore Newbie
| I just started a 3g tank. I want to know what it is that limits the amount of fish. Is it oxygen?? Is it that they dirty the water too fast??
Also, does the limit also include corals or is it just for fish?
I'm starting a 110g tank in 2 to 3 months, but I wanted to get my feet wet until then. I plan to transfer any life I have from this tank to the larger one. I realize the challenges, and I've read people's advice about small tanks, I just didn't want to wait.
My tank is cycling now. I was hoping to get a clownfish, a shrimp, a crab or two and a snail or two and a couple of corals. I got this list from a tank I saw set up in a shop.
Before I commit, I'd like to understand what exactly it is that limits the amount of fish.
Thanks, Matt | |
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October 18th, 2009
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| | Fish Mentor
| Coral produces no bioload so no coral does not count. Usually its just a size issue, or a swimming room issue. Some gobies might be able to stretch the limits, as they would rather scoot around on the bottom and chill out rather then swim around, or perch on a rock. But something like a clown will swim around a lot more.
I honestly don't like to do LR by weight. I would rather pick the right pieces locally for my setup. However if you do have to order online, i'd probably look for in the neighborhood of 2-5lbs. (Sorry don't know conversion to kg) Sand, eh just fill it until it looks good and you got a decent sand bed.
I'd cut the clean up crew numbers down, and i honestly don't like hermits to much. They knock over coral, walk all over it, and i've found once they taste food you drop in the tank for a fish or shrimp, they won't touch other stuff. My experience with them hasn't been all that great, so i prefer snails to hermits. 5-ish snails might work.
Sexy shrimp later on would be a great choice for your tank once its stable and going. Though i'd personally only get them if the tank is set up specifically with them in mind. Not sure what gobies are compatible with them but be careful. The blue neon should be fine with them.
Very interested in your future LED setup, please post pics as you build it and once its completed.
Zonathids and Palythoas should do well in this tank as far as coral goes, and Mushrooms. Possibly some of the smaller LPS too. | |
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October 18th, 2009
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| | Fish Bum
| as i said im only borowing small one's form a frend who breads them and then when they get to big i'll give them back
sory cant reply to every one now have to go to school | |
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October 18th, 2009
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| | Fish Mentor
| Problem with that is, keeping them in such conditions even for short periods of time could hinder their growth. Assuming you are talking about fish. | |
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October 18th, 2009
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| | Fish Keeper
| I agree with sgould and slug. A fish will be stressed in a small tank. There will be limited place to swim, hide, and do almost anything. Imagine your self in a small bedroom trapped. Just letting you know, but again it's your choice.
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October 19th, 2009
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| | Fish Bum
| yeer you guyhave made a point i'll probaly still go the globy and a fuw snails/hermitis and some coarls but it's my first tank so i'm keeping it to gether 1 year and then buiding an acrilic (10-20g) for my second tank. Quote:
Originally Posted by Slug Coral produces no bioload so no coral does not count. Usually its just a size issue, or a swimming room issue. Some gobies might be able to stretch the limits, as they would rather scoot around on the bottom and chill out rather then swim around, or perch on a rock. But something like a clown will swim around a lot more.
I honestly don't like to do LR by weight. I would rather pick the right pieces locally for my setup. However if you do have to order online, i'd probably look for in the neighborhood of 2-5lbs. (Sorry don't know conversion to kg) Sand, eh just fill it until it looks good and you got a decent sand bed.
I'd cut the clean up crew numbers down, and i honestly don't like hermits to much. They knock over coral, walk all over it, and i've found once they taste food you drop in the tank for a fish or shrimp, they won't touch other stuff. My experience with them hasn't been all that great, so i prefer snails to hermits. 5-ish snails might work.
Sexy shrimp later on would be a great choice for your tank once its stable and going. Though i'd personally only get them if the tank is set up specifically with them in mind. Not sure what gobies are compatible with them but be careful. The blue neon should be fine with them.
Very interested in your future LED setup, please post pics as you build it and once its completed.
Zonathids and Palythoas should do well in this tank as far as coral goes, and Mushrooms. Possibly some of the smaller LPS too. | yeer i dont know about snails but just cos u said that u dont like hermits i wont get them,and yes the tank will probaly be set up with them in mind (what would i need for this,does any one know any help is good as i dont know anything about them cos i cant find much on them on the net)
the weight was only fo a ieda of how much i would need but i'm geting some from my frend soon.i was thinking the same about the corals  Quote:
Originally Posted by Slug Problem with that is, keeping them in such conditions even for short periods of time could hinder their growth. Assuming you are talking about fish. | ok thank's for helping i agree u have changed my mind
soon to come
building my stand (list of materails and step by step instructions)
also my led fixture (list of materails and step by step instructions)
thanks all plese say what u think | |
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October 19th, 2009
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| | Fish Keeper
| Quote:
Originally Posted by MJH22 I just started a 3g tank. I want to know what it is that limits the amount of fish. Is it oxygen?? Is it that they dirty the water too fast??
Also, does the limit also include corals or is it just for fish?
I'm starting a 110g tank in 2 to 3 months, but I wanted to get my feet wet until then. I plan to transfer any life I have from this tank to the larger one. I realize the challenges, and I've read people's advice about small tanks, I just didn't want to wait.
My tank is cycling now. I was hoping to get a clownfish, a shrimp, a crab or two and a snail or two and a couple of corals. I got this list from a tank I saw set up in a shop.
Before I commit, I'd like to understand what exactly it is that limits the amount of fish.
Thanks, Matt | Hi there, In most cases when dealing with small tanks is territoru issues that govern the amount of fish that can be housed in them. The size of the fish and bio-load are sort of seconday. Oxygen levels will play a small part but typically are not an issue unless you have a big tank with small water volume and house big fish.
The list you have In my opinion should be fine. Not sure about the dimensions of the tank you are using, but the clown might work. For the shrimp you can have a skunk or a fire shrimp. You can have the blue leg hermits, they don't get really big. | |
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October 19th, 2009
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| | Fish Bum
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Originally Posted by sgould What types of coral frags are you getting in your pack? | i dont know
probaly some zoas and stuff like that | |
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