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Old October 7th, 2009  
Fish Helper
 
TDS meter?

I have a RO/DI 100gpd from PUREWATERCLUB. I don't have a TDS meter to test my output. Can the results of a KH and GH API test suffice? I'm a little confused about alkalinity/carbonate hardness/general hardness. Thanks.

Dave
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Old October 7th, 2009  
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Alkalinity = Carbonate Hardness = KH (note that alkalinity ISN'T alkaline)

Put to simple terms, this is the level of resistance (level of carbonate and bicarbonate) the water against changes of pH.
Go a little bit deeper. The end results of the nitrogen cycle is nitrate, which is also called NITRIC ACID, and we all know that acid lowers the pH, sufficient about of KH would neutralize these acids and they would not cause pH swings.
To raise KH, simply add sodium bicarbonate in correct amount and aerate the water (less CO2, more KH)

General Hardness (not-too important)
Balance of calcium ions, magnesium ions, and other ions in the aquarium. These ions are needed for internal functions of fish but almost never need to modify or worry about as there are always sufficient amount in a good aquarium, unless it comes to breeding certain fish
To raise GH add coral to filter, to lower it add peat moss or use RO water.

TDS (Total Dissolved Solids)
The TDS meter measures EVERYTHING that has dissolved in the aquarium that isn't pure H2O molecules, that literally means everything. This includes from simple chlorine, phosphorous, nitrates, oxygen, carbon dioxide to complex compounds of dissolved organic compounds. Every single thing that you add into aquarium water will raises TDS level, stuffs like Prime, water conditioners are included .

It's pretty awesome little machine really (very affordable too), I stick it in distilled water I get 0ppm as its meant to be, tap water ~30ppm, aquarium water ~75ppm and freaking cocacola 600ppm (look all the sugars and stuffs in there). And amazing Diet Coke isn't all that different, I bet they replaced sugar with a bunch of other chemicals. Sorry for the off topics.

Overall, TDS meter, KH test kit and GH test kit measures very different things and none of which can replace another.

PS: Sorry for the essay, except going off topics I can't get any simpler yet staying informative
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Old October 7th, 2009  
Fish Helper
 
Ty fish-newbie, easy to understand. No more coke! I'll have to get one soon.

Dave
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Old October 7th, 2009  
Fish Keeper
 
Note that TDS will measure only the charged (ions) particles in the water column. You won't be able to measure all dissolved organic compounds with it. However, for checking water that is expected to be somewhat pure (e.g. distilled, RO, DI, RO/DI, even rain water) it will reflect the amount of dissolved ions (cations and anions) that are likely equivalent to the total dissolved solids.

I use TDS measurements to help me decide on water changes. I try to keep TDS at 225ppm prior to water changes (in my FW tanks).

Pepetj
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Last edited by pepetj; October 7th, 2009 at 09:33 PM.
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Old October 7th, 2009  
Fish Helper
 
Thanks Pepe, I hoped you'd chime in too.

Dave

p.s. GO Twins!
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Old October 7th, 2009  
Fish Keeper
 
Just to add, TDS meters aren't expensive. I believe you can even get them from CVS drugstores sometimes. Though I don't know if they're up in Minnesota or not.
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Old October 7th, 2009  
Fish Keeper
 
The TDS meter I have is for use in freshwater only. It is a professional pocket meter manufactured by Hach. PinPoint has a beautiful TDS meter for salinity measurement, the Salinity Monitor. It can be calibrated for use in FW settings that require a tiny bit of aquarium salt (like Koi Keeping), for Brackish tanks, and... it seems to be even most accurate than refractometers in measuring salinity (although a conversion chart must be used). I am seriously considering ordering one from DFS.

Pepetj
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Side comment for djbrist: As a teenage and young adult I used to be a Philly & Dodger fan (My dad rooted for the Yankees and Cardinals). Right now I consider myself as MLB fan. That said I have family in Minessota (my sister in-law), so I wish the Twins go forward -BTW what a great baseball game the 163rd last night!
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Old October 8th, 2009  
Fish Helper
 
Thanks for the suggestions. Here are three, seem to be affordable:

Milwawkee

Dual in-line

HM's TDS/EC/Temp combo

Any experience/knowledge with these? I'm thinking losing portability with the in-line isn't so great...

Dave

Too bad NYY too good offensively, Jeeter WOW, don't think we can afford him.
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Old October 25th, 2009  
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Hi, i have just bought a TDS meter after buying a second hand RO unit. I have changed all the filters of the RO unit, and when i tested the output, it read 100 PPM. The tap water was over 400 ppm. The RO unit is aout 6 months old, so what is going wrong?

FYI - the RO system is RO-MAN

Any help would be greatly appreciated...
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Old October 26th, 2009  
Fish Keeper
 
Recheck the filters. Odds are one isn't sitting correctly and it's letting some tap water through instead of filtering it. It's happened to me before.
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