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March 2nd, 2009
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| Their tank mates sound just fine 
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March 2nd, 2009
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| Considering that they only grow to about 3 cm (just over an inch), they are not juvie either. Frozen should be well thaw out before use. If 3/4" or bigger, should be able to ingest BS not that I would recommend its use that much since hold very little, if any, nutritional value other than yolk sac carrying baby Brine Shrimps.
In fact, I read some article way back that the shells on Brine might be hard to digest/cause problem on some fish. Wether it is true or not, I would not know but for reason that it may have too high level of salt for most f/w fishes I dont useBS for F/W.
Off topic a bit but I find odd when one says no salt in F/W yet feed brine as part of main diet. Not that it is harmful when no salt is present in water since high salt can be dump as part of renal function thus less burden on its kidney as would be when no salt present in water, kidney has to work hard to maintain bodys salt content against osmotic pressure and/or diffusion gradient.
Anyway, It seems that male will develop 3 different colors (3 color variants as mentioned earlier, yellow or white or red) wings (pectoral fins) and pelvic fins depending on its origin (locations). It seems lovely. especially courtship coloring/behaviors.
Enjoy and let them all reach itheir maturity!!! | |
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March 2nd, 2009
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| Oh  Carol. I'm glad they're OK tankmates at least I don't have to change anything in the tank.
Now if I can only get them to pass the QT stage. | |
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March 2nd, 2009
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| Quote:
Originally Posted by cerianthus  Considering that they only grow to about 3 cm (just over an inch), they are not juvie either. Frozen should be well thaw out before use. If 3/4" or bigger, should be able to ingest BS not that I would recommend its use that much since hold very little, if any, nutritional value other than yolk sac carrying baby Brine Shrimps.
In fact, I read some article way back that the shells on Brine might be hard to digest/cause problem on some fish. Wether it is true or not, I would not know but for reason that it may have too high level of salt for most f/w fishes I dont useBS for F/W.
Off topic a bit but I find odd when one says no salt in F/W yet feed brine as part of main diet. Not that it is harmful when no salt is present in water since high salt can be dump as part of renal function thus less burden on its kidney as would be when no salt present in water, kidney has to work hard to maintain bodys salt content against osmotic pressure and/or diffusion gradient.
Anyway, It seems that male will develop 3 different colors (3 color variants as mentioned earlier, yellow or white or red) wings (pectoral fins) and pelvic fins depending on its origin (locations). It seems lovely. especially courtship coloring/behaviors.
Enjoy and let them all reach itheir maturity!!! | I haven't given any bs to them yet so I better be on the safe side and not give it to them, just in case problem arises.
Since they are still under quarantined, the tank light is not very good for taking pictures so I can't take any pictures to see any clear indications of which variant they belong. I do see their wings are somewhat yellowish or orangy. Its body color is not clear as of yet. | |
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March 2nd, 2009
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| When i feed freshly hatched brine shrimp I rinse them in tank water before feeding them
Decapsulated shrimp might be an option for occasional feeding. They have no shell and are dehydrated and have to be rehydrated before feeding. scroll down and take a look. http://www.kensfish.com/kensspecialtyfood.html
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March 2nd, 2009
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| This is what the furcatus looked like. They were not quite 1 inch.
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March 2nd, 2009
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| [quote=FishnFry;540111]That's good to know. I think the water is around that I'll have to check tomorrow as I haven't checked lately. They'll be going in the 75 I think, and they'll be housed with 5 glass catfish, 11 corydoras sterbai and a variety of plecos (not common). Do you think they'll be safe with their tankmates?[/QUOTE
Except glass Cat (if debauwi cat), other should be OK. Debauwi at feeding time will probably out compete the TINYS and they probably will disturb (constantly move about) TINYS since stays around same water level.
I just learned that it will spawn similar to most seasonal Killies. A continuous spawner meaning little today and little tomorrow and on. According to book, large eggs can be stored in damp moss or peat for extended periods of time as I have tried and done with Killies. I used to pick eggs (turkey baster) each day to store with date thus older hatchling will not eat its younger sibblings.
Drove my mom crazy with the fish tank activities not to mention hatching my own mosquito larvae and other insect in backyard (some 40 yrs ago), lol.
As far as water parameters, would not worry too much as long as avoid extremes. Enjoy them as I would have. | |
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March 3rd, 2009
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| Thanks for the pix Carol. Those are pretty as well.
I don't tinker with the water in my tanks anymore. I just leave it as it comes out of my tap and so they should be all close to the same.
The glass cat I got are the kryptopterus variety.
They must be identical to the boesmani when it comes to spawning. They are like laying eggs almost everyday but I wonder if the size of the free swimmers are also similar. I know the boesmanis are and it's quite a challenge to raise them that tiny. | |
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March 3rd, 2009
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| Even krpts can go nuts during feeding, so keep an eye the tank.
Yes. Boesmani are also continuous scatterer. Although Kept may different Rainbows but dont recall tempting breeding any? Maybe due to wide rages of water requirements for specific Rainbows?
Was more into characins,ciclids (lot more varieties and good parental care), killies and some bottom dwellers.
As far as your Pseudos, it seems they are easier to spawn and raise, so good luck and keep us posted! | |
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March 3rd, 2009
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Originally Posted by cerianthus Even krpts can go nuts during feeding, so keep an eye the tank.
Yes. Boesmani are also continuous scatterer. Although Kept may different Rainbows but dont recall tempting breeding any? Maybe due to wide rages of water requirements for specific Rainbows?
Was more into characins,ciclids (lot more varieties and good parental care), killies and some bottom dwellers.
As far as your Pseudos, it seems they are easier to spawn and raise, so good luck and keep us posted! | I will keep an eye on them once they're out of QT. I didn't really try to breed boesmanis but they just decided to do it on their own LOL.. Now I get dozens of free swimmers everyday but will just see how many I can manage. I've been into cichlids (africans) for a few years then I got rid of all when I decided for a change. They are indeed so easy both on breeding and caring for the babies. But never tried breeding demasonis as I only have 3 and then got rid of them before they even mature. Now I jsut wanted to see if I can do it, to raise and breed them. I read that you need at least 12 due to aggression. So if I can get 50 of these, I should be safer. . | |
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March 3rd, 2009
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| Did not do much breeding of mbunas other than new species or color morphs since early 90s then was into Lake Tang's rare/hard to breed specimens such as C. furcifers, etc.
When you say 50, you mean 50 rainbows which seems unnecessary but again as they mature, you will get diversity of genes, especially if from few different parents thus usually stronger and more colorful(?)
If you meant 50 demasoni, no need for that many. As you said, dozen juvie demasoni should be able find mates, at least one pair. Try obtaining from 2 different breeders for genetic diversity if and when possible. I always tried to mate fish from different parents when possible. | |
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March 4th, 2009
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Originally Posted by cerianthus Did not do much breeding of mbunas other than new species or color morphs since early 90s then was into Lake Tang's rare/hard to breed specimens such as C. furcifers, etc.
When you say 50, you mean 50 rainbows which seems unnecessary but again as they mature, you will get diversity of genes, especially if from few different parents thus usually stronger and more colorful(?)
If you meant 50 demasoni, no need for that many. As you said, dozen juvie demasoni should be able find mates, at least one pair. Try obtaining from 2 different breeders for genetic diversity if and when possible. I always tried to mate fish from different parents when possible. | I've been wanting to get those tangs for a long time but as you've said they are hard to get so I gave up on it. I did have a breeding pair of leptosomas and they bred several times for me. They do have a quite different breeding behavior. I was hoping to get lucky and find the furcifers and foais but no luck. So decided to try something else. I meant 50 demasoni (I know that's too many) but I guess if I do make an order and pay ridiculous shipping, I might as well make it worthwhile. I don't necessarily have to keep them all but it would guarantee me a couple breeding pairs plus some won't make it to maturity too due to their behavior.
And your idea of obtaining from different breeders is great and I'll try to do that if and when possible.
Thanks for all your efforts, much appreciated. | |
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March 4th, 2009
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| Glad to meet someone who appreciate the beauty of C. furcifers. I dont know what it is but my hearts always had extra special pull for this fish.
Unfortunately, been out of all fish keeping for few yrs until last summer but heart never left fish.
Couple of seahorses my children caught started one tank (2-1/2G), now have 4 tanks running w/ other fish caught from ocean, puffers, dotty algae blenny. Waiting for weather to break so I can release them back except seahorses. Tempting rasing babys. have not done in over 10 yrs.
By coming summer hope to set up 72Bow which has been sitting collecting dust in basement with dried purple coralline algae still on the back glass.
As far as Ps. demasoni, not particularly more aggressive than other mbunas. Just give them tons of rocks until maturity. You can make your selections then or let them pair off.
Had 180 G where about 500-600lbs of rocks were build in the center of the tank thus can be viewed from all four sides. This way had mbunas living in and out of rocks and Utakas swimming around the montain of rocks. Had numerouos breeding going on but let them take their chances since trying to catch one or few would meant not just more work but more stress for majority of fish. Need of one or few did not outweigh the needs of many, lol.
Keep us posted with the progress.
PS: Nova Scotia, one day very soon i hope to visit and Alaska.. Went up as fas as Bar Harbor where my baby sister was doing Grad Study on Marine Eco. Pretty Chilly in Bar Harbor when camping in late August, ill prepared camping trip when young. Probably colder in NS. lol! | |
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March 5th, 2009
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| I've always have my eyes on those featherfins and I'm sure one of these days, I'll get my hands on them. Once you like fish, it's pretty hard to stay away from them lol.. I always admire those salties but way too much for my liking and high maintenance I find. Glad to know that demasonis are not far worse than the other mbunas given the proper set-up. And also I might just get lucky and get a well-behaved demasoni (dream on). I'm dying to get my tank set-up so I could get some.
Bar Harbor (Maine, right?) is not too far from here so I think it is pretty close to the same temperature wise hmm maybe just a little colder. .
I'll keep you posted as soon as my plan starts rolling. | |
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March 5th, 2009
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| Wii be looking out for your progress.
btw, salties are not as difficult as some may think. IMO, it is easier to maintain than F/W. It just cost bit more to start and maintained. Poke around for info. | |
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March 6th, 2009
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Originally Posted by cerianthus Wii be looking out for your progress.
btw, salties are not as difficult as some may think. IMO, it is easier to maintain than F/W. It just cost bit more to start and maintained. Poke around for info. | Will do.
Thanks. | |
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March 15th, 2009
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Originally Posted by cerianthus Did not do much breeding of mbunas other than new species or color morphs since early 90s then was into Lake Tang's rare/hard to breed specimens such as C. furcifers, etc. | cerianthus: Have you tried C. foai? I'm just wondering what is the easier species to start with.
BTW, I'm getting some demasonis later this week. | |
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March 18th, 2009
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| Although familiar with name, dont think I ever kept C. foai. I would not know for sure which is easier but C. foai being more recent fish, C. foai might be more challenging and rewarding, especially F1s with specific locality.
Even though not a cichlid, How about Lamprichthys tanganicanus? Awesome fish!
Good Luck with P. demasoni!
BTW, DO you know where to obtain wild specimen of C. foai? I dont see it as avail as before.
Last edited by cerianthus; March 18th, 2009 at 04:07 PM.
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