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January 30th, 2009
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| Aggresive Rainbow
My Rainbow has become aggressive recently, and I'm pretty sure he's responsible for the deaths of my Tiger Barbs and my Hatchet Fish. He won't stop picking on my one Gold Gourami. If I get another Rainbow will he calm down? I thought they were supposed to be peaceful. Would they attack my Gupppies in my other tank? I've rearranged everything and that worked for about 20 mins. TIA | 
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January 30th, 2009
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| | Fish Master
| what size tank is he in? what are all of the other tank inhabitants? do you have readings for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate?
i'm pretty sure rainbows need a group of at least six to be happy....but i could be wrong about that | |
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January 30th, 2009
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| It's a 33 gallon with 1 Green Sword Tail, 2 Gold (or Yellow) Gourmies, 2 Jack Dempsies, 4 Glass Fish and a Craw Fish. All my levels are at 0, pH at 7.3. | |
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January 30th, 2009
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| nitrates are at zero? how long as the tank been set up?
hmm...it sounds like you're pretty badly overstocked.
1x Sword Tail - 4 inches
2x Gourami - 12 inches
2x Jack Dempsey - 20 inches (ONE JD needs a 55 gallon tank)
4x Glass Fish (does that mean glasscat?) - 24 inches (one glasscat gets around 15 cm if that's the fish you're talking about)
1x CraY Fish - see amanda's post
EDIT: lol, that's why i couldn't find it, i meant craY fish! 
the recommended size tank for just ONE jack dempsey is 55, and for two you'd need a 75, glasscats also need a very large tank and absolutely pristine water conditions to survive.
Last edited by agabr123; January 30th, 2009 at 11:37 PM.
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January 30th, 2009
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| | Fish Master
| Also, your crayfish will try & most likely suceed, in killing your tank inhabitants while the're sleeping. | |
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January 31st, 2009
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| I'm not 100% sure on the breed of my Cichlids, the biggest one hasn't grown more then 4" over the past 8 months, and the smaller one is only 2.5 inches at the moment. And they are just regular glass fish, and they grow to 1 inch max. The Sword Tail will only get to 3 inches and the Gourmies will grow to 3 inches each (as I was told at the pet store). And my Cray fish is the biggest wuss you would ever see, he is slower then all the other fish and doesn't even try to attack my fish when they swim right through his claws. Plus I feed him an algae wafer in the morning and then shrimp brine at night. And he's 4.5 inches with his claws. And the tank is 1 month old, cycled and clear as a bell. It was cloudy for 3 weeks and the it cleared up. But back to my question, will another Rainbow calm him down? | |
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January 31st, 2009
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| This is the Glass Fish without the pink outline (I was mistaken on the max size) http://www.fishlore.com/aquariummaga.../glassfish.htm, and yes, that profile is of the Gourmies that I have right now. The "small" Cichlid is a Jack Dempsy, and I used to have pics of my bigger Cichlid but my other hard drive crashed on my other CPU and I lost those pics, along with my picture album for some reason. It really sucks when I go to my LFS (Especially Big Al's) and the employees I talk to don't really have a clue what they're talking about and are just looking to make a quick sale. Thanks Alex for your help.
Last edited by here_fishy_fishy24; January 31st, 2009 at 01:37 AM.
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January 31st, 2009
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| | Fish Keeper
| The Jack Dempsey will kill all the other fish when it gets bigger. What does the bigger Cichlid look like? What colour is it? | 
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January 31st, 2009
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| | Fish Master
| No problem! Happy to help 
The way I see it, you have a few options. (well, first you should try to find out the specific type of fish that your "rainbow" fish is, that will help a lot in figuring out what to do same for the cichlid)
1. keep the fish. in order to do this you would need to figure out what kind of cichlids you have. the one Jack Dempsey will need at least a 55 gallon tank, and they are very aggressive and can't live with many different types of fish. your swordtail and the glassfish would be fine in the 33 that you have now. as far as the gouramis go, it depends on the sex. if you have one male and one female, i suggest you get a 55+ tank and get two more females, OR return the female. if you have two males, either get two tanks (29+) or return one. if you have two females, they might work together, but IMO still a good idea to return one. returning one of the gouramis might allow you to leave the gourami in the 33 that you have now, provided you add NO other fish than the gourami, the swordtail, and the glass fish. (NOTE: i'm not 100% on the compatibility of the gourami and the swordtail, but i dont think that it will be a problem. however, if anyone else knows, please feel free to correct me). unfortunately, i really don't know very much about crayfish, so i'll leave that to someone else to answer. the rainbow fish, depending on the type that you get, could need it's own tank and additional members for a school. if it IS a schooling fish (which again will depend on the type) then you will need at least six, and you will also need to know how big they get.
2. return/sell the cichlids, IMO this is your best option (at least pertaining to them). this means that you can either keep everything you have now, get a 55 and put ONE of the gouramis in it, the crayfish, and some other fish that would be compatible, and then leave the swordtail, the other gourami, and the glass fish in the 33 (again, compatibility of the gourami with the others is not 100% in my mind). again, the rainbow fish MAY or may not work in the 55 with gourami and cray fish, really depends on what they are.
3. return/sell the cichlids, ONE gourami, and the rainbow fish. you can probably keep everything that you have now in the tank that you have now and be okay (with the exception of the crayfish, which again i'm not really sure about.)
4. return/sell the cichlids, ONE gourami, the rainbow fish, AND the crayfish. this solves the problem with #3.
good luck! if you have any other questions, feel free to ask! | |
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January 31st, 2009
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| OK, I know for a fact that this is my Rainbow http://www.fishlore.com/fishforum/at...eworks-057.jpg (Thanks boff for the pic). I paid $25 for this fish and it was labeled as a peaceful fish. As far as my tank goes, my camera really sucks and I'll have to try and take more pics tomorrow during daylight if I can get a good one at all. Any who, my biggest Cichlid is the most content out of them all, the best feature of him is his bright turquoise spots. His fins are very dominant and the tips turn red. He has 2 black spots, 1 on his mid section and 1 near his rear. He doesn't go out of his way to stress his mates, and it takes a lot for him to get stressed and show his black under lay (like the small one). But anyways, I think you're right, it's to late to return the JD, maybe I can give him away. I just hate this whole guessing game with fish, thanks again for your help And I would be more then happy to replace my 33 gallon with a 55! (but who wouldn't?) | |
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January 31st, 2009
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| | Fish Master
| yeah, pictures would be very helpful! what thread is that picture from?
lol, yeah i'd love to get a 55 right now!!! unfortunately the dorm says i can only have up to a 20 gallon tank 
it will be much easier to give you advice once we know specifically what kind of fish you have, what the temperaments are, and how big they get. dont forget, getting the 55 will probably still require you to keep the 33 for some of the fish you have currently (unless you can get another 55, lol, or even a 125!!!! bigger is always better!!!) | |
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January 31st, 2009
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| | Fish Keeper
| The other Cichlid sounds like another JD, or a Green Terror to me. Can find a pic of one of these and check? | |
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January 31st, 2009
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| That pic is from this thread: Rainbow Fish Photos Like I said, I'll try tomorrow with my POS HP camera during daylight, and if that doesn't work then I'll have to "borrow" my brothers sweet Canon SLR digital camera. I hope I can get a good pic, because it's been bothering me about this Chiclid, he is so good with every other tank mate, and I would like to know what species he is. Anyways, thanks again Alex, I hope we talk again soon, and good luck in your studies | |
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January 31st, 2009
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| | Fish Master
| okay, in that case from the info i can find, it's going to get to be around 3 inches and needs a school of around 6. so total, you've got 18 inches of fish there, now, given that info, i'd say put those (in a full school of 6), ONE gourami, your swordtail, and maybe the crayfish, depending on temperament, in the 33. then, if you're able to get a 55, the other gourami (or return/sell him), the glass fish, and then you can do some research as to more suitable community fish for that set up.
honestly, i've got to recommend that you return the JDs (or JD and other unknown cichlid) unless you can get them a 55 of their own, or possibly separate them somehow depending on what the other is. now, the other could be a very peaceful community cichlid.....but i dont know.
no problem and thank you! | |
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January 31st, 2009
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January 31st, 2009
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| Yeah, it's really hard to say what I want to do at this point. I really like these fish but I'm torn in between keeping these guy's and giving them away and starting a saltwater/reef tank. I LOVE Clown fish, but they cost a lot more $, and with my second child on the way it's getting a little tight, but it's still feasible. Maybe I can sell my Mexican Axolotl for a descent price along with my other tanks or something. I guess time will tell. Thanks again. | |
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January 31st, 2009
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| Quote:
Originally Posted by agabr123  | YES! Thank you, I've been trying to ID him for so long, I hate it when the LFS gives you a false ID. | |
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