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Old April 3rd, 2009  
Fish Master
 
DIY Pond Q's

I moved to a new house recently, and there is no landscaping done.
I've been thinking about putting a medium sized pond for comets in my back yard. Some problems - the previous oweners put down a layer of shale to stop water flow into the basement. Any ideas how to get through this horribly tough layer? Okay, I get through that layer, what do I use as the pond itself? A plastic tub? Or just a liner? The pond needs to be 3 feet deep in order to keep the fish out all winter, correct?
I'm not interested in keeping monster koi - at least not yet.
What types of filter is needed for a pond? How much do they cost?
Anything else I need to know?
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Old April 3rd, 2009  
Fish Master
 
I don't know much about in-ground ponds (only container ponds), but this website is a great resource. My dad used it when he set up his outdoor 300 gal pond with commets

www.fishpondinfo.com/pond.htm
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Old April 3rd, 2009  
Fish Master
 
This is all so confusing....
I'm mostly confused about filtration. They're so expensive & there's so many different kinds!
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Old April 3rd, 2009  
Fish Master
 
I hear good things about barrels... I'll see if I can find the link again maybe...
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Old April 3rd, 2009  
Fish Addict
 
my grandfather bought like a big strainer and ran a pump through it and that down a waterfall and thats pretty much his filter. of but he added carbon to it and if you see like heron around your area i suggest you get a net to cover your pond because my grandfather lost a 3 foot koi to one.
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Old April 3rd, 2009  
Fish Master
 
Too many trees for a heron to see the pond, just crows around me mostly. It's te squirrels that I'd have to worry about. I don't want them falling in while trying to get a fish.
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Old April 3rd, 2009  
Fish Master
 
Squirrels eat fish?
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Old April 3rd, 2009  
Fish Keeper
 
I think squirrels eat anything they can get there hands on. But I'd be more worried about racoons, personally.
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Old April 4th, 2009  
Fish Mentor
 
What you need to do first is decide where you want the pond. Then how big around do you want it. Make sure it will get at least a couple of hours of full sun if you want any plants to thrive in it (such as lilies). You can get preformed pond liners or go with just the pond lining that you form yourself - depending on what you want. Then, decide if you want a waterfall or a stream or a fountain to circulate your water. If I were to do a large outdoor pond, I would go with the liner so I could design it the way I wanted. On the lower end, I would suggest an overflow skimmer box (sort of like in a swimming pool). The water would then go through your filter (I like the external pressure filters just because they don't take up space in the pond itself and they are easier to get to for cleaning). The size and type of filter will depend on the size of your pond. Then, to get the water from the filter back into your pond, you can use waterfalls or streams. Once again you have a choice of preformed waterfalls or streambeds, or using the liner to build your own, or even using a waterfall filter box in conjunction with your main filter or as your only filter. I would also suggest building up a "sitting wall" around at least part of your pond. It can give you a place to sit and enjoy your fish. It can also give you an easier way to deepen your pond without having to dig too far through the shale layer. If you build up the wall with room for plants between the wall and the pond itself, it will provide a bit of insulation for the pond. My pond is done this way (on a smaller scale, since it is a smaller pond). The plants you choose for around your pond can also help to hide the edge of the liner and provide a more natural pond edge. Having a pond that is half in the ground and half raised will also bring the fish up closer to where you can see them while still providing the depth for temperature stability. Check out the Dr's Foster and Smith pond section for some of the waterfalls, streams, and filters that are available. You can also google preformed pond liners to see some of the styles. Unfortunately, most of the preformed pond liners are less than 3 feet deep. If you use the flexible pond lining and design your own, you can make it whatever depth you want, and actually have it follow the natural contours of your hole without have to worry about having a completely flat level hole. There is an underlayment that you get that will help to cushion the lining so it doesn't get holes in it. One of the main things that I would keep in mind is maintenance. However you build it, you have to be able to clean it. Keep your filter box where it is out of sight, but easy to access. If you do a waterfall, then you could build a framework so you have a cave type area under the waterfall that the external filter can fit in. Hide your tubing as much as possible - clear tubing that allows light in will grow moss inside, black tubing will not. Vinyl tubing can collapse, PVC pipes don't. Buried pipes are more protected from the elements than pipes that are out in the open, but harder to get to for cleaning. The larger diameter pipe will allow more water to flow easier than smaller diameter pipe, but if you are using vinyl tubing, the larger diameter is also more prone to collapsing/kinking. When you choose your filter and your pump, the higher the capacity, the better. If you get the most powerful pump you can afford, then you will always have sufficient water pressure for your water features and your filter. If you get the largest capacity filter you can afford, then it will lower the amount of maintenance you will need to do as well as keeping your pond much cleaner.

The initial set up of a good, big outdoor pond can be expensive. If you do not skimp on any of the original set up, it will make your pond cheaper and easier to run with fewer problems once it is up and running.
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Old April 5th, 2009  
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my grandfather lives out in the country in texas and theres trees everywhere in his front yard but yet 2 herons already found them ate half the fish and then got shot by his 12-gauge
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Old April 5th, 2009  
Fish Master
 
Well, your grandfather & I wouldn't get along very well I see.
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Old April 8th, 2009  
Fish Master
 
Alright, I have to get the blueprints to see where my septic tank is.
What about a cement bottomed pond? We usually get water in out basement from run-off, would this effect the pond in any way?
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Old April 8th, 2009  
Fish Mentor
 
Cement is not water proof. If you use cement for the bottom of the pond, you will have to seal it every couple of years (which means complete draining and scrubbing the pond, etc.) I would not recommend the cement pond. Unless you line it with a regular pond liner. In which case, you really wouldn't need the cement lining. The original pond on the front of our house was cement, and that is why it started to leak into the house.
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Old April 10th, 2009  
Fish Master
 
Oh, that doesn't sound too good.
Alright, I'll keep researching.
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Old April 10th, 2009  
Fish Mentor
 
Since you are in New York - you may also want to keep in mind something that can handle being frozen. Cement will crack if frozen.
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Old April 12th, 2009  
Fish Bum
 
I agree about the liner, it is so much easier to move, shift, adapt and change a pond with a flexible liner. Around here, concrete would be a total waste of time.

My backyard is a bird haven, attracting all sorts of small birds, including some red-winged blackbirds that would like to get their lady friends to nest by the pond. I love the sound and encourage every one of them.

I would be honoured to have a blue heron come into my yard. After the first time, though, I would take some steps to protect the fish. Somehow, I couldn't see myself ever shooting them, they are having enough issues surviving as it is ....
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