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September 28th, 2009
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| Hey Red, Thanks for the advice, harsh advice is good advice! Im going to do a 25-30% water change today, and will find time to do one once aday. As far as the larger oscar, larger meaning bigger than the other two, but were talking 2inches max and the other two are close to inch and 1/4 maybe. The larger oscar looks like he hasnt moved from sitting on the gravel since last night as far as ive seen and is losing color except for a large black spot near his tail fin. The same thing happened a little more than a week ago to my albino, he started sitting on the gravel and within three days he died.
Hey Amanda, I have two rena filstar xp2 canister filters, the specs for each said one filters 300gal/hour i think.
Last edited by sphinx_87; September 28th, 2009 at 07:33 PM.
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September 29th, 2009
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| Ok so i think i have a big problem.
The larger tiger oscar did not make it through the night. I woke up today to find him dead, just as i suspected was going to happen. Pretty much the same thing that happened to the albino last week. 
Heres where i think my problem lies. After i pulled out the dead oscar i was looking at the other two and i noticed these very tiny worm like creatures on the inside of the glass. I hadnt noticed them before, and i had just cleaned much of the glass with the scrubber when i did the water changes yesterday and the day before. Over night they have taken over the whole tank. They are everywhere on the glass. Hundreds if not thousands of them and multiplying. Im afraid for my two remaining oscars.
I have this medicine i bought a week or so ago, but i decided to use the Tank Buddies Parasite Clear instead. The medicine i have is called SentryAQ Mardel, Biospheres Maracide for ick, velvet, and other external parasites. I also have about half a box of the Tank Buddies left which will treat about 40 gallons. Should i use one or the other or both or somthing else  Im going to go to the LPS soon and ask for thier advice as well. Please if someone knows the best way to fix this problem, your input is greaty appreciated.... | |
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September 29th, 2009
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| Quote:
Originally Posted by sphinx_87  Ok so i think i have a big problem.
The larger tiger oscar did not make it through the night. I woke up today to find him dead, just as i suspected was going to happen. Pretty much the same thing that happened to the albino last week.
Heres where i think my problem lies. After i pulled out the dead oscar i was looking at the other two and i noticed these very tiny worm like creatures on the inside of the glass. I hadnt noticed them before, and i had just cleaned much of the glass with the scrubber when i did the water changes yesterday and the day before. Over night they have taken over the whole tank. They are everywhere on the glass. Hundreds if not thousands of them and multiplying. Im afraid for my two remaining oscars.
I have this medicine i bought a week or so ago, but i decided to use the Tank Buddies Parasite Clear instead. The medicine i have is called SentryAQ Mardel, Biospheres Maracide for ick, velvet, and other external parasites. I also have about half a box of the Tank Buddies left which will treat about 40 gallons. Should i use one or the other or both or somthing else Im going to go to the LPS soon and ask for thier advice as well. Please if someone knows the best way to fix this problem, your input is greaty appreciated.... | im sorry for another loss
do they look like this? DSC05121.JPG shake up your gravel and im sure you will see more if they are them....its from overfeeding/waste/lack of gravel vacs...I had them in a few of my tanks from over feeding .... | |
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September 29th, 2009
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| Hey Shawnie, thanks for the quick reply. Yeah kinda like that, very small white worms, and alot of them. Yesterday I did a 25-30% water change and vaccumed the gravel and the day before i did about a 50% water change and vacummed the gravel really well, moved all the plants, artifacts, and wood. I just got back from the LFS and got some Mardel Coppersafe. I opened the box of medicine i had, the Mardel Maracide, and it said that was for secondary infections and to treat with Coppersafe for worms. Im going to do maybe a 50% water change today and clean the gravel very well, should i add the coppersafe or any other recommendations? | |
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September 29th, 2009
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| Really, as mentioned before dont use chemicals to adjust your pH..... what is the Ph of your tap water?? They should only be used in special applications and tested often. I went thru that setting up an specialized SA tank....its too dangerous for your fish. Oscars can adapt to a fairly wide range of Ph. You have added so many things to your tank and now what is affecting what? To many different treatments can react and make a "Love Canal" situation in your tank. IMO Keep up the safe water changes only.
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September 29th, 2009
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Originally Posted by sphinx_87 Hey Shawnie, thanks for the quick reply. Yeah kinda like that, very small white worms, and alot of them. Yesterday I did a 25-30% water change and vaccumed the gravel and the day before i did about a 50% water change and vacummed the gravel really well, moved all the plants, artifacts, and wood. I just got back from the LFS and got some Mardel Coppersafe. I opened the box of medicine i had, the Mardel Maracide, and it said that was for secondary infections and to treat with Coppersafe for worms. Im going to do maybe a 50% water change today and clean the gravel very well, should i add the coppersafe or any other recommendations? | No meds....just keep up with what your doing..cut back on food and 2-3 gravel vacs a week ...continue the daily water changes to keep them safe also...they arent going to hurt your fish and the oscars will eat them | |
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September 29th, 2009
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| Ok cool, i was worried that the worms were what killed the other two. I got scared when i saw the amount of worms. Given that i have lost two oscars in the past two weeks, should i be worried about the remaining two? | |
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September 29th, 2009
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| Ok did a 50-60% water change today, stirred up and vacummed the gravel well and scrubbed the inside of the glass. Water tests showed ph about 7.6, nitrate 5ppm, nitrite 0ppm, ammonia 0ppm.
Also tested the tap water, ph 7.2, nitrate 0ppm, nitrite 0ppm, ammonia 0ppm. | |
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September 30th, 2009
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| I have a question unless I missed it somewhere, do you have any aeration in the tank?
Here checkout this link...it is very helpful. I hope things get better soon. http://www.fishyportal.com/diag/
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September 30th, 2009
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| | Fish Lore Newbie
| Hey Sphinx! Sorry to hear about your oscar troubles, but I think you are doing too much in too little of a time frame (Sept. 19 for your first post to now is barely 2 weeks). Let them adapt. Do your usual water changes with the necessary dechlorinator and stress zymes or whatever you use to treat the water. Hold off on the meds. AlyeskaGirl points out a good question. Do you have aeration in the tank? It helps. | |
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September 30th, 2009
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| | Fish Master
| the white guys (that i seemed to have been inherited with LOL) are nematodes and the more tannish ones are planaria...neither of which is harmful unless you ignore them...most fish will eat them...gravel vacs and less feedings are the cure... | |
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October 1st, 2009
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| Hey guys, thanks for all of your input.
Did a 25% water change just now, water readings before change were ph 7.6, nitrate 0-5ppm, nitrite 0ppm, ammonia 0ppm. Wasn't able to get to do a water change yesterday.
No, i dont have an aeriator in the tank, just the two rena filstar canister filters with power jet nozzels on the outlet pipes, which break the surface water somewhat.
The white worms or nematodes seem to have reduced in number somewhat. Since i noticed them, i have cut back on feeding and have been scrubbing the glass well and vaccumming the gravel when doing the water changes. Although, i vaccum the gravel everytime i do a water change.
I have an air stone and i think i might have an aeriator lying around in my garage some where from a while back, I guess the question is - should i hook it up? and i think i already know the answer....
p.s. Congrats Shawnie on fish of the month and tank of the month, great looking jack dempsey and nice tank!
Last edited by sphinx_87; October 1st, 2009 at 11:44 PM.
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October 2nd, 2009
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| thanks sphinx 
and more oxygen never hurts  id hook it up! | |
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October 5th, 2009
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| Hey guys, just wanted to say thanks for all the help. My remaining tiger oscar and red oscar seem to be doing well. I did about a 70% water change today and have been doing daily 25% water changes. I could not find the old aeriator i thought i had, so tomorrow im probably going to buy a new one. Just uploaded some new photos, check em out and lemme kno what you think! | |
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October 5th, 2009
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| Hello Sphinx. Glad to hear your two Oscars are doing well.
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October 5th, 2009
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| Good to hear your survivors are doing well. They look awesome! | |
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October 6th, 2009
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| Thanks guys! Just put in my aeriator yesterday.
For a while now ive noticed that the tiger seems to breathe harder and faster than the red. Is this somthing i should be worried about or is it normal? | |
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October 6th, 2009
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| they have been through allot .....keep up the good work with water changes and such, but remember, ammonia has lasting effects on some fish.. do you know your readings as of today? | |
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October 7th, 2009
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| Hey Shawnie, my readings today were ph 7.6, ammonia 0ppm, nitrite 0ppm, nitrate 5ppm. I did a 25% water change and my readings after the change were just the same, ph 7.6, ammonia 0ppm, nitrite 0ppm, nitrate 5ppm.
At some point during the water change the tiger must have gotten stressed out, because afterwards i noticed him hanging near the bottom of the tank in the corner breathing real fast and he stayed there awhile. Now hes moving around kinda slowly and hanging in spots, but not normal. He seemed fine before the water change, swimming around with the red, chasing bubbles, and ate just fine.
I plugged in some of the symptoms to the website AlyeskaGirl posted a little while back and one of the possible diagnosis was Myxobacteriosis. Some of the listed symptoms were: Fish show rapid breathing and ‘coughing’. The gill covers stick out and pale-rose or hyperemic filament can be seen beneath them. rapid gilling is observed. Fish become lethargic,
These follow pretty closely to what i have been observing. Especially the rapid breathing and the 'cough', along with the gills pertruding with pale rose beneath.
Could this be what is wrong with my fish??
He is now currently sitting on the gravel in the back corner.
This isnt looking good...
Ive also noticed quite a few black spots around his gills. I remember seeing this on the other tiger before he died. On fishyportal.com, the disease diagnosis website, black spots are common with Ichthyosporidium hoferi and Fish Tuberculosis (Mycobacterium piscium). I dunno if im being paranoid or if sumthing is really wrong. I do know that something killed off two of my oscars before and im worried that the two survivors could be next.  I've merged your posts. Thanks!
Ken
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October 10th, 2009
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| Thanks Ken!
A few years back I raised oscars a couple times and dont remember having any where as near as much trouble as now.  | |
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October 29th, 2009
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| Hello everyone,
just an update here. After further reseach and posting a thread on oscarfishlover.com, I believe i have concluded that my tiger has/had fish tuberculosis. Someone replied saying they had a simialar situation with their convict, and gave me really good advice. She said that she added vitamin B-complex and fresh water aquarium salt along with treating for bacteria. So i did just that. Saw some improvements after adding vitamin B-complex and some freshwater aquarium salt, but still showed the rapid breathing. So i decided to treat for the bacteria as well. Did a four dose treatment of API's T.C. Tetracycline which i finished today. The tiger looks almost 100% better, very active, fins out, color great, and rapid breathing basically gone. I have been soaking the pellets im feeding to the tiger in the vitamin B-complex, and will continue to do so for a while. Hopefully my tiger is cured and stays healthy.
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October 29th, 2009
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| Hello Sphinx. Glad to hear that your Oscars are improving!
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