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Old July 20th, 2009  
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I really dont know where I said wild oscars are herbivorous.
They are primarily carnivorous, eating fish, insects/insect larvae and such but they will opportunistically eat anything they can find. This can be dead fish, plant matter, fruits/berries anything really. And I believe if I am remembering correctly 50% or more of a wild oscars diet will be insects.
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Old July 20th, 2009  
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I agree 100% with both you and Shawnie. I am simply saying you two would be in a very small percent of people who would feed feeder fish this way. The vast majority in the hobby do not do this. They feed a crappy low grade flake food and expect their feeders because they are "home grown" to be excellent for the fish. And they aren't, a bit of protein sure but that about it, and giving protein can be achieved in a number of ways without feeders.
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Lastly, saying that something is true does not make it true. I'd also like to see a source regarding your theory that the nutrition that goes into an animal is lost and not passed on to that animal's predator.

Feed some feeders at your place a bunch of crap like nutrafin or such. Now feeding those feeders to some of your other fish, what will they get from it? Not much as the feeders you fed are going to poop out most of what you fed them as waste as you are feeding them crap, you cant suck out a bunch of nutrients from something with very little in it. that was my whole point if you aren't putting good things into your feeders, which I assume you agree MOST hobbiest do not, you arent going to get much out of them.
We are not talking about Nutrafin or any other garbage food, and we never were.
This is what I mean by you inflicting information contrary to what Shawnie and I were talking about in order to support your argument.
We both said something to the effect of "if they are raised and fed properly," but you are presuming that this will not happen, and basing your argument against the use of feeders on this presumption.

It's usually better to give people complete information (that properly raised feeders carry plenty of excellent nutrition for carnivorous fish, while improperly raised feeders are basically a death sentence), presume that they will make the best choice (either go with a high-quality flake or pellet or go with properly raised feeders), than it is to presume that they will do something wrong and therefore give incomplete or incorrect information (that "there is little to no nutrition in feeders,")

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Oscars for example, who many people think this fish eats mostly meat in the wild, in the wild oscars are constantly eating vegtable matter and berries and anything else they come in contact with. Not just during the rainy season, but year round.

Brian
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I really dont know where I said wild oscars are herbivorous.
They are primarily carnivorous, eating fish, insects/insect larvae and such but they will opportunistically eat anything they can find. This can be dead fish, plant matter, fruits/berries anything really. And I believe if I am remembering correctly 50% or more of a wild oscars diet will be insects.
In the first post, you are contradicting the belief that wild oscars primarily eat meat (I apologize. I thought you said they primarily ate veggies. You merely said that they don't primarily eat meat). In the second, you say that they are primarily carnivorous.
Nobody here has argued anything about insects (in fact, I've heard a number of people talk about feeding their oscars crickets and the like).

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Fish will eat what is avaliable to them, if someone reads this fish eats mainly fish in the wild, that doesnt mean that is all they will eat.
Never said they did. I don't think Shawnie did, either. In fact, I'm pretty sure I said that a fish that eats only one kind of food will not live to its full potential.
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Old July 21st, 2009  
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Do you like to argue......

I never said you or Shawnie fed crap to feeders. Actually I said both of you, and I should just say her since she shared what she feeds her feeders, would be in a small percent I believe I said 1% of the hobbiest who do it right when feeding feeders. And I said the other 99% of people who raise their own feeders although I doubt they will admit it fed them a crap food and expect great things out of it.

Now back to what I originally said was feeders have little to no nutrition in them.
And unless you pack them full of stuff as Shawnie does, WHICH MOST HOBBIEST DO NOT, then feeders are crap. You can go on assuming people do everything right, but don't tell me because I assume people will do it wrong I am giving wrong info. Its pretty basic.
If you really think the majority of hobbiest are freezing up home made food for their feeder fish, that pretty naive. I never once said noone does is correctly. However I did say and I will say it again that most fed some crap like nutrafin, again a crap food for my EXAMPLE, and expect good benifits to come from feeding feeders. And if you feed them crap you will not get great results, and there for there is no point in doing it. I believe this was my very first point on the whole subject.

So I will say it again, If you are like Shawnie, kudos to you, if you do not do similiar to what she does stop wasting your time with growing crap feeders from home.


We are not talking about Nutrafin or any other garbage food, and we never were.

I never said you were, I used that crap food as an example of feeding crap and expecting great things from feeders.

I guess you can go on believing people are great and do everything correctly, but I am going to keep on knowing this isn't the case. Good luck dude.

Brian
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