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Old May 5th, 2009  
Fish Keeper
 
Lighting: Why is it so hard to get a straight answer ?

I have read most of the posts here. I have goggled " planted aquarium lighting" many times. I have read a few Dr. Foster & Smith catalogs.
And I can not get a straight answer to a very simple question. Maybe you can help.
I have a standard one bulb, aquarium light fixture on a standard 48 inch, 55 gallon rectangular tank.
Can I replace it with a standard 48 inch, 2 bulb aquarium light fixture ?
How about with a 3 bulb standard 48 inch aquarium light fixture ?
Drew
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Old May 5th, 2009  
Fish Master
 
yes....but depending on the wattage, will affect the temp of the tank and the algae if too high

was that straight enough?
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Old May 5th, 2009  
Fish Keeper
 
Very straight.........

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yes....but depending on the wattage, will affect the temp of the tank and the algae if too high

was that straight enough?
Very straight. Thank you.
I am still surprised that this is not common knowledge. If you want plants you need more light then a standard, one bulb fixture provides. That should be one of the first things you find out when you go to the "Lighting" section of all sites like this.
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Old May 5th, 2009  
Fish Keeper
 
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I have read most of the posts here. I have goggled " planted aquarium lighting" many times. I have read a few Dr. Foster & Smith catalogs.
And I can not get a straight answer to a very simple question. Maybe you can help.
The reason for that is because there is no such thing as a perfect answer, at least not with a topic this complex. There are too many variables involved with lighting for anyone to know from a few lines of text exactly what you need to buy to achieve perfect results.


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I have a standard one bulb, aquarium light fixture on a standard 48 inch, 55 gallon rectangular tank.
Can I replace it with a standard 48 inch, 2 bulb aquarium light fixture ?
How about with a 3 bulb standard 48 inch aquarium light fixture ?
Yes to both questions.

Now whether or not either one of those options will meet your goals without either falling short or providing too much light depends on the following:

- Desired plants
- Type of lighting (T5, compact fluorescent, MH, etc.)
- Wattage of fixture
- Spectral output of bulbs chosen
- Distance from bulb to water
- Shape/material of reflector (if a reflector is present)
- Tank dimensions
- Substrate
- Shadows
- Ambient light
- Willingness to fertilize
- Willingness to supplement CO2
- other factors I'm likely forgetting

Can you see yet why it's so hard to get a "straight answer"?
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Old May 5th, 2009  
Fish Master
 
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The reason for that is because there is no such thing as a perfect answer, at least not with a topic this complex. There are too many variables involved with lighting for anyone to know from a few lines of text exactly what you need to buy to achieve perfect results.



Yes to both questions.

Now whether or not either one of those options will meet your goals without either falling short or providing too much light depends on the following:

- Desired plants
- Type of lighting (T5, compact fluorescent, MH, etc.)
- Wattage of fixture
- Spectral output of bulbs chosen
- Distance from bulb to water
- Shape/material of reflector (if a reflector is present)
- Tank dimensions
- Substrate
- Shadows
- Ambient light
- Willingness to fertilize
- Willingness to supplement CO2
- other factors I'm likely forgetting

Can you see yet why it's so hard to get a "straight answer"?
you worded it so much better than I did LOL ....

and drew, not sure why you seem so angry about this..but if you have some great knowledge or ideas about improving anything here, im sure mike would gladly take all your suggestions
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Old May 5th, 2009  
Fish Keeper
 
I have often found (with many different subjects) that if it appears really very hard to get a simple, straight answer on something - it's because the subject matter is far more complex than I ever initially gave it credit for, and I just haven't realized that yet.

There's an entire board devoted to just this subject (for good reason), with a lot of people trying to figure out similar troublems, each with its own unique characteristics and solutions
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Old May 5th, 2009  
Fish Helper
 
I'm sorry Drew if I was too winded in the other thread, but I could have (should have) told you that I have 2 24inch bulbs on my 30 gallon, and the fish & plants in it are just fine. I hope you found the Dr. Fosters and Smith item number I left for you.
Regards, Dave
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Old May 5th, 2009  
Fish Keeper
 
Angry ?

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you worded it so much better than I did LOL ....

and drew, not sure why you seem so angry about this..but if you have some great knowledge or ideas about improving anything here, im sure mike would gladly take all your suggestions
Angry ?
I am not angry.
Who is Mike ?
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Old May 5th, 2009  
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Angry ?
I am not angry.
Who is Mike ?
Mike is our awesome leader. lol

What Shawnie meant was if you had some suggestions that would make it easier for members to figure out lighting issues, he's always open to suggestions that would further build FL and help its members.
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Old May 5th, 2009  
Fish Keeper
 
My 75 gallon is close to the size of a 55 gallon. It's deeper from the front to the back and maybe a little taller, I'm not sure. I have two strip lights on mine. They are both 48 inches and each have a 40 watt bulb. My plants do pretty well. I don't know if that helps. I would love to add more light if I could afford it.

If you have glass tops on your tank I'd say you could go with more than one strip light or one of the two or three bulb strips. You just need to make sure they will fit and leave room in the back for filters and cords etc and that you can still open the front to feed the fish. If you have the lid with a place for the strip light to fit into, I would do some really careful measuring because you don't want lights sitting on top of plastic and melting it.

What about one of those retrofit lighting kits in the catalog? That might be a way to upgrade one strip light to two bulbs. I'm not sure. I love the Foster and Smith catalog!

Last edited by Regal; May 5th, 2009 at 10:55 PM.
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Old May 6th, 2009  
Fish Keeper
 
1 bulb or 2 ?

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The reason for that is because there is no such thing as a perfect answer, at least not with a topic this complex. There are too many variables involved with lighting for anyone to know from a few lines of text exactly what you need to buy to achieve perfect results.
My questions was " can a 2 bulb fixture fit where a a 1 bulb fixture was?'
Seems like a simple question to me.
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Old May 6th, 2009  
Fish Keeper
 
OK

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Mike is our awesome leader. lol
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OK, Thanks. If you see him tell him I said Hi.

What Shawnie meant was if you had some suggestions that would make it easier for members to figure out lighting issues, he's always open to suggestions that would further build FL and help its members.
No suggestions yet. Just question and observations.
Drew
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Old May 6th, 2009  
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Use either one you prefer and whatever fits your tank. You don't have to stick with the generic lighting that comes with the tank. I switched from a one bulb to a two bulb when I had my 72g up and running. However, the generic light was directly on the hood. I made sure the double light was raised off the tank so air could circulate under it and not raise the temperature in the tank so much. Hope that helps!
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Old May 6th, 2009  
Fish Keeper
 
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My questions was " can a 2 bulb fixture fit where a a 1 bulb fixture was?'
Seems like a simple question to me.
It might be a simple question to you, but you used some fairly ambiguous terms like "standard" that might make sense to you but are vague and unhelpful for other people.

What is a "standard 1 bulb fixture"? Does that mean an all-in-one unit that includes one incandescent bulb and a plastic hood, or does it mean some type of 48" lighting enclosure with one bulb mounted over a glass hood/top? What is a "standard 2 bulb fixture"? When you say "2 bulb", do you mean two 48" bulbs side-by-side or two 22" bulbs end-to-end?

Unless you're clear and specific about what you mean, you can probably expect unclear answers.
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Old May 6th, 2009  
Fish Master
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Drew 43920 View Post
My questions was " can a 2 bulb fixture fit where a a 1 bulb fixture was?'
Seems like a simple question to me.
I guess only you can tell us that..we cant see your tank....set it up and see if it fits...seems like a simple answer as well

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Old May 6th, 2009  
Fish Bum
 
I am not sure if you had a light in mind,but this is the one I use on one of my 55's,
http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/prod/209500/product.web

If you are wanting to keep lowlight plants,this is a good light,and a good price.
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Old May 6th, 2009  
Fish Bum
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Drew 43920 View Post
My questions was " can a 2 bulb fixture fit where a a 1 bulb fixture was?'
Seems like a simple question to me.
Yes you can,I gave a link to one in the above post,
Good luck!
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Old May 6th, 2009  
Fish Keeper
 
That is what I have

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I am not sure if you had a light in mind,but this is the one I use on one of my 55's,
http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/prod/209500/product.web

If you are wanting to keep lowlight plants,this is a good light,and a good price.
That is about what I have. I want to replace it with a 2 bulb fixture of the same physical size to increase my wattage.
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Old May 6th, 2009  
Fish Keeper
 
Those are good points...............

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Originally Posted by mathas View Post
It might be a simple question to you, but you used some fairly ambiguous terms like "standard" that might make sense to you but are vague and unhelpful for other people.

What is a "standard 1 bulb fixture"? Does that mean an all-in-one unit that includes one incandescent bulb and a plastic hood, or does it mean some type of 48" lighting enclosure with one bulb mounted over a glass hood/top? What is a "standard 2 bulb fixture"? When you say "2 bulb", do you mean two 48" bulbs side-by-side or two 22" bulbs end-to-end?

Unless you're clear and specific about what you mean, you can probably expect unclear answers.
Yes you are right. Those are good points.
I should have said I have an All-Glass 48 " full hood with the standard, single 48" bulb light fixture that comes with it.
I Emailed All-Glass my question but got no answer.
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Old May 6th, 2009  
Fish Keeper
 
Thank you

Quote:
Originally Posted by mathas View Post
The reason for that is because there is no such thing as a perfect answer, at least not with a topic this complex. There are too many variables involved with lighting for anyone to know from a few lines of text exactly what you need to buy to achieve perfect results.
I was only asking about light fixtures. I have already researched the other factors.
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Old May 6th, 2009  
Fish Keeper
 
Well said..

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Originally Posted by prairielilly View Post
I have often found (with many different subjects) that if it appears really very hard to get a simple, straight answer on something - it's because the subject matter is far more complex than I ever initially gave it credit for, and I just haven't realized that yet.

There's an entire board devoted to just this subject (for good reason), with a lot of people trying to figure out similar troublems, each with its own unique characteristics and solutions
That is well said. But I was only asking about a light fixture.
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Old May 6th, 2009  
Fish Keeper
 
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That is well said. But I was only asking about a light fixture.
Fair enough, but the point ppl are trying to make here is that we didn't get that from your original question (I certainly didn't) - you asked if you could swap your fixture for one with more bulbs, but not why or how you would expect to benefit or what exactly your goal for doing so was. That's what all the clarification-questioning was about. It's sorted out now so all good. Good luck with your upgrade!
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Old May 6th, 2009  
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That is about what I have. I want to replace it with a 2 bulb fixture of the same physical size to increase my wattage.
You can get 48 inch single, double and tripple bulb fixtures. The bulb holder (hood) will be the same length on all of these but wider.
My 75g tank came with a hood with a single bulb but I upgraded to a double bulb which made the hood wider. I wanted the tripple bulb but it made the hood too wide to easily open the glass tops.
Is this sort of what you were asking?
Carol
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Old May 6th, 2009  
Fish Helper
 
Well you know its the kelvins but the watts... the depth, now thats the kelvins thats what counts! depth, unless it looks dull in there, or if your plant dies, or if you want to spend $600 on t-5 lights.well if u do that you'll never lift your hood again either so then depth blue rays red rays well if you look at the bulbs color chart theres not much red not much blue well then pick one any one at all and stick it in there see how that one works and of your plant dies well move your tank directly under one huge chandellier and leave it there. HaHaHaHaHa help any? thats how a drunk salesman explained it to me and my husband, all we could do is listen!!!
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Old May 10th, 2009  
Fish Keeper
 
Maybe : Maybe not...........

Quote:
I have a standard one bulb, aquarium light fixture on a standard 48 inch, 55 gallon rectangular tank.
Can I replace it with a standard 48 inch, 2 bulb aquarium light fixture ?
How about with a 3 bulb standard 48 inch aquarium light fixture ?
Drew
There are a couple of factors you need to consider.
One is the width of the new light fixture. Will it fit in the area that the one bulb fixture occupied ?
The other is heat. If the material between the light and your water is plastic or Plexiglas you may have a problem. If you have glass between the light and your water you will be a lot better off. Also if the light is sitting flush on your "top" the heat may build up. It will be better if there is a little space between the light and the top so the heat can dissipate.
Drew
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Old May 10th, 2009  
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That is about what I have. I want to replace it with a 2 bulb fixture of the same physical size to increase my wattage.
It will be the same length but wider.
Carol
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