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Old October 24th, 2008  
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WPG math!

Hello everybody, this is my first post!

My wife and I recently bought an 80 gallon tank (48"x18"x23") and have been thinking "the planted tanks look pretty." We would love to have tall foliage with tropical community fish schooling in and out of the overflow of leaves. We're still unsure what plants these are exactly, but decided we should turn our attention to our lights.

Today we bought a coralife double T5 56 watt fixture (specifically for aquatic plants), it looks amazing but - is it grossly underpowered? 56 watts / 80 gallons = 0.7 watts/gallon. Sticking another unit up there would give a whopping 1.4 W/G (at a cost of $120). This would be a bit cumbersome (filter hangs on back, and the cords would be messy) but doable. Basically my question is - assuming my math is correct, should I give up on this fixture and return it, and if so what light fixtures are recommended (around $200..). Or would it work for the most part in a 23" depth tank..?

Thank you.
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Old October 25th, 2008  
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Welcome to fish lore David58117! I am no expert by any stretch of the imagination, this is all from personal experience. My friend who has a 55 gallon planted tanks has a glass top with two triple bulb strip lights which work great and I believe that they are readily available at Petco online or in stores. yeah so I would exchange the fixture you bought and buy two or three of these. hope this helps and have fun with the fishes! -fishlover78
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Old October 25th, 2008  
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Basically my question is - assuming my math is correct, should I give up on this fixture and return it, and if so what light fixtures are recommended (around $200..).
I've made the mistake already of buying one fixture, only to later decide it wasn't enough. Don't do that, it's not fun If you're still within the return window on the fixture and you know you want more light, I'd advise taking it back while you still can.

Here are some options:

Single Satellite Compact Fluorescent Fixture - 130W, $118 + shipping/taxes
Coralife Aqualight Single Compact Fluorescent Strip Light - 130W, $135 + shipping/taxes
Dual Satellite Compact Fluorescent Fixture - 260W, $221 + shipping/taxes
Coralife Aqualight Double Compact Fluorescent Strip Light - 260W, $270 + shipping/taxes

Or if you're DIY-inclined, there's AHSupply. For $237 + shipping/taxes, you could order a 4x55W bright light kit with finished enclosure from AHSupply, and four GE9325K bulbs from LightbulbsDirect. The wattage is slightly lower than the pricier Current or Coralife fixtures I linked to above, but the reflectors are better, so you get at least as much (if not more) usable light into the tank. This is the route I ended up going, and I couldn't be happier. You could also save over $50 by building your own enclosure, if you have the tools and skills to build one.

There are 130W Coralife and 4x55W AHSupply pictures in the thread in my signature, if you want to compare.
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Old January 5th, 2009  
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Originally Posted by David58117 View Post
Hello everybody, this is my first post!

My wife and I recently bought an 80 gallon tank (48"x18"x23") and have been thinking "the planted tanks look pretty." We would love to have tall foliage with tropical community fish schooling in and out of the overflow of leaves. We're still unsure what plants these are exactly, but decided we should turn our attention to our lights.

Today we bought a coralife double T5 56 watt fixture (specifically for aquatic plants), it looks amazing but - is it grossly underpowered? 56 watts / 80 gallons = 0.7 watts/gallon. Sticking another unit up there would give a whopping 1.4 W/G (at a cost of $120). This would be a bit cumbersome (filter hangs on back, and the cords would be messy) but doable. Basically my question is - assuming my math is correct, should I give up on this fixture and return it, and if so what light fixtures are recommended (around $200..). Or would it work for the most part in a 23" depth tank..?

Thank you.
before you run out and buy another lamp, first determine what are your goals with the planted tank.

Nice planted tanks and many species of plants can be grown in what most will refer to as Low Light in the range of < 1.2 WPG and even as low as .7 WPG, Just do not expect explosive rapid growth, they will look good, but they are not going to over run your tank either, and at those levels Moss will " maintain" but that is about it.
now with that said, even at those low light levels you CAN get great Lush Growth but you are going to have to fuel that growth with EI and Co2 and quality substrate.

do you plan on farming plants or
do you plan on doing multiple aquascapes? over the span of months?
constantly pruning etc?

Then you can expect to need > 2 WPG to accomplish that along with the pressurized Co2 and EI, and Substrate, and excellant water movement.


Disclaimer: I am no expert at this, i have simply asked the same questions of experts who backed up their stuff with actual pictures and journals. Complete enough that i cant see anyway to refute their statements.

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with that said, these guys general statements are @ <1.5 WPG you can easily get very lush growth from most all plants into the medium light requirement range ( BTW this is with T8 bulbs), but when you break the 2.0 WPG barrier you need CO2 and Ferts.

and that is my .02 worth, uhhh anyone here have change for a nickle ?

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