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Old April 11th, 2009  
Fish Bum
 
High PH from tap - RO water options?

Hello All,

First time poster, long time reader. I live in a city apartment building where the tap water is at a pH of 8.0, making my tank stay at 7.8. I recently had a blue ram die and I'm thinking I need to lower my PH. My local LFS sells RO water for $.45 a gallon - I do weekly 20% water changes (55 gallon tank) and at that rate it would be quite expensive to keep buying it. Not to mention lugging it into my apartment and driving to the LFS once a week. I've been looking at purchasing an RO filter but looking for some input on what you guys think I should do. From what I understand they are very slow and take up a sink (which I only have 2 - kitchen, bathroom) Thanks in advance!
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Old April 11th, 2009  
Fish Keeper
 
Tell you what:

Try filtration through peat. Fluval has concentrated peat pellets (I just bought two boxes).

Before you get there, and to do this safely, you will need GH and KH liquid test. These test work by tritation method: you add one drop at a time, shake and keep adding and shaking until the color changes. If you measure with 10ml of water you can have reasonably accurate measurements of 0.5 degress of hardness.

Only if you have very hard water you won't be able to pull this off.

I've been tampering with pH, to bring it down for a few months already. I happen to have very cheap (5gal for USD1.25) R/O processed drinking water available locally (and the guys at the store deliver the 5gal bottles orders in five minutes).

This takes time and is not risk free but is doable if you have the love for this.

I recently ordered 20 Seachem's pH Alert -works great, real good simple technology behind this. These units don't replace pH readings but come handy if something goes wrong, they last for 6 months in freshwater and 3 in saltwater.

Another option, if your water is moderately high is to use Indian Almond Tree leaves. For pH down in a 145gal tank I use 18 mid-to-large sized leaves (for free in my street all year around), just replace it every two to three weeks.

Whether you go with peat or Indian Almond Tree Leaves, you can use activated charcoal if you don't want the tea-color water they will produce.

A third option, but that depends also of your tap water hardness level, is to use CO2 injection to drop pH. For this to happen you will need to be careful not to over-saturate the tank with CO2 but also to keep a relatively constant input of reasonable high levels of CO2. Going pressurized (a dream for me yet) is the safest and fastest way to go if you opt for fully automated systems (quite expensive); going the DIY way could work (my method) if you are up to the task (requires maintenance).

At the end if your water is too hard, mixing with R/O might be the only effective choice.

Hope this info helps you.

Pepe
Santo Domingo
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Old April 12th, 2009  
Fish Bum
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pepetj View Post
Tell you what:

Try filtration through peat. Fluval has concentrated peat pellets (I just bought two boxes).

Before you get there, and to do this safely, you will need GH and KH liquid test. These test work by tritation method: you add one drop at a time, shake and keep adding and shaking until the color changes. If you measure with 10ml of water you can have reasonably accurate measurements of 0.5 degress of hardness.

Only if you have very hard water you won't be able to pull this off.

I've been tampering with pH, to bring it down for a few months already. I happen to have very cheap (5gal for USD1.25) R/O processed drinking water available locally (and the guys at the store deliver the 5gal bottles orders in five minutes).

This takes time and is not risk free but is doable if you have the love for this.

I recently ordered 20 Seachem's pH Alert -works great, real good simple technology behind this. These units don't replace pH readings but come handy if something goes wrong, they last for 6 months in freshwater and 3 in saltwater.

Another option, if your water is moderately high is to use Indian Almond Tree leaves. For pH down in a 145gal tank I use 18 mid-to-large sized leaves (for free in my street all year around), just replace it every two to three weeks.

Whether you go with peat or Indian Almond Tree Leaves, you can use activated charcoal if you don't want the tea-color water they will produce.

A third option, but that depends also of your tap water hardness level, is to use CO2 injection to drop pH. For this to happen you will need to be careful not to over-saturate the tank with CO2 but also to keep a relatively constant input of reasonable high levels of CO2. Going pressurized (a dream for me yet) is the safest and fastest way to go if you opt for fully automated systems (quite expensive); going the DIY way could work (my method) if you are up to the task (requires maintenance).

At the end if your water is too hard, mixing with R/O might be the only effective choice.

Hope this info helps you.

Pepe
Santo Domingo
Thanks for the input! I have been reading a little bit about the almond tea leaves, but the "tea" colored water would drive me crazy. I wasn't aware that carbon would remove this. If I could find prices & delivery like you have on you RO water I would just buy it! My source of $.45 a gallon plus I have to bring my own container and lug it up 3 flights of stairs I might have to start looking for better water source.

Anybody have any experience buying and using an RO machine at home
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Old May 1st, 2009  
Fish Helper
 
Pepe gave great advice. Except i use blackwater expert, which is a peat extract, so i can adjust my ph prior to adding water to my tank by allowing it to sit several hours or overnight.My tap is 8.9 gh 150. I do use ro but occasionally i have to use tap.
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Old May 3rd, 2009  
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Originally Posted by catfishtabbi View Post
Pepe gave great advice. Except i use blackwater expert, which is a peat extract, so i can adjust my ph prior to adding water to my tank by allowing it to sit several hours or overnight.My tap is 8.9 gh 150. I do use ro but occasionally i have to use tap.
Question: pH @ 8.9 and GH is only 150? If that is true, then it may not be that difficult to altered the pH of New water before adding to tank.
RO/DI is Okay but not that cheap to buy/run/maintained. Lots of water loss thus higher Water bills (if it matters to you). W/ GH @ 150, would just use API Tap Water Filter ($40 for unit/$20 for cartridges) which wont be that expensive to buy/run/maintained. This can also eliminate the need for Water Conditioner OR may want to collect Rain Water and test pH (best IMO provided contaminants arent that bad or unless live near industrial area).

Last edited by cerianthus; May 3rd, 2009 at 11:46 AM.
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Old May 3rd, 2009  
Fish Keeper
 
drift wood can help lower pH so you could give that a try.
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Old May 6th, 2009  
Fish Helper
 
Hi Cerianthus and midnightwolf, i just seen your posts You know i have played so much with ph it just lost it's fun. I do have driftwood and even have to use phosguard when i use tap and acid buffers:0 so i'm sticking to r/o but occasionally i dabble with the chem set ha ha. It is sooo nice to just pick that jug up and freepour ahhh. It's like eating without having to cook.

Last edited by catfishtabbi; May 6th, 2009 at 01:30 PM.
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