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Old August 18th, 2007  
Fish Keeper
 
Re: a couple things.

rose im doing everything i can for my fish i will be going out and buying a filter that CAN do atleast 100 gph but the fact is that alot of the fish we buy these days have never seen nature
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Old August 18th, 2007  
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Re: a couple things.

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In nature have you ever seen a river or lake be as clear as it is in our fish tanks? If anything, we provide a higher quality of water in our tanks then in nature (especially with all the waste dumping, pesticide run off, etc. we do these days). It's a misconception that fish live longer in nature then they do in our tanks because of bad water quality. The reason fish live longer in nature is not due to water quality, they can get used to a lot of things even bad water. It's because of the lack of space to really stretch their fins. A fish in nature doesn't live the pampered life we give them, heck any pet for that matter, hence why you can never release a domesticated animal to the wild without a lot of conditioning to get them used to fending for themselves. In nature fish can roam where they please and in order to survive they have to be the strongest and the fastest they can be. In our tanks this isn't so, and that weakened state leads to a shorter life span. But quality of water is hardly worse in our tanks then in nature... well as long as your tank is cycled that is .
No, I have never seen the water in a lake or in a river as clean as my tank water because these lakes and rivers do not have giant lighting fixtures hanging inches above their surface and illuminating their entire contents. A fish tank's inside is entirely illuminated by aquarium lighting which makes the water appear much clearer than any water in nature. Secondly, even if water in nature is less clear it doesn't mean it has worse quality. Naturally, rivers and lakes have loose debris floating around and thus making the water not as clear as your aquarium water. Also, water in a river or lake is not filtered through activated carbon/charcoal which normally in our tanks removes any discoloration of the water. The water in a lake or river is not filtered through a sponge which normally in our tanks removes any floating debris. Yet, just because lake or river water is not "artificially filtered" like our tanks, does not mean that lake or river water is worse in quality. Particles floating in water and making it appear less clear have nothing to do with water quality. Nature is not a closed and neatly designed fish tank. Nature is wild and it has its own life. Going back to water quality, or more specifically: to water chemistry, lake and river's water chemistry is in fact much better than the chemistry of water in our fish tanks, for the reasons that Chickadee has mentioned. Lastly, the water in nature doesn't appear as clear because most river and lake beds are very dark, unlike light-colored aquarium gravel (illuminated by artificial fluorescent lighting).

It's not a misconception that fish live longer in nature than they do in our tanks because of bad water quality. Water quality in nature is better de facto. Firstly, water in nature is never conditioned/meddled with by any dechlorinators, pH adjusters, artificial plant fertilizers, activated carbon/charcoal (which is a chemical medium), and so on ... Taking all of this into account, how can you believe water in nature is worse in quality? Mother Nature is Mother Nature and not even the most sophisticated technology will ever be better than Nature itself. All of us exist thanks to Mother Nature - without it, us and our technology would never be here. If fish live shorter lives in nature, it is because they're hunted and eaten by other fish (natural survival instincts), not because of death due to bad water quality. Of course, unless a lake or a river was poisoned/contaminated with some toxins by humans. Otherwise, fish have much better water quality in nature. The crowding of fishes in the wild is way, way, waaay smaller than the crowding of fishes in home fish tanks. Even tanks with the lightest stocks are literally "crowded" compared to the crowding ratio in nature. Lastly, fish in nature are not fed with artificial foods that we feed to our fish. This contributes to their lifespan as well.

To give you an example, Angelfish survive and do exceedingly well in waters of the Amazon forest that are literally orange in color and totally opaque - what would seem, an extremely bad water quality. But it's not. They thrive there.

You say that "in nature fish can roam where they please and in order to survive they have to be the strongest and the fastest they can be. In our tanks this isn't so, and that weakened state leads to a shorter life span." In fact, the much settled-down life style and lack of space for movement in a home fish tank, is what makes the fish sick too. Like humans, animals need the space to move around and exercise. People as well as animals get sick without exercise. The same applies to fish.

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rose im doing everything i can for my fish i will be going out and buying a filter that CAN do atleast 100 gph but the fact is that alot of the fish we buy these days have never seen nature
LOL ... no, all commercially bred fish have not seen nature. Which is why they are able to adjust to a wider range of conditions that wild fish can. But just because they haven't seen nature doesn't mean they don't deserve to be treated well. I know your intentions are good, and you'll be fine, so don't worry. The fact that you're asking all of these questions shows that you care and want what is best for your fish, right?

As Luniyn has said (and I agree with it): Even if you get a filter that says it pumps 10 x the volume of your tank, it will be less than 10 x the volume of your tank because of all of your filter media. But getting a filter that says it pumps 10 x the volume of your tank is definitely better than getting a filter that says it pumps, say, 4 - 5 x the volume of your tank.
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Old August 20th, 2007  
Fish Keeper
 
Re: a couple things.

Wolfgang8810, is this the filter that you have now? If it is, then you actually have a Marineland Bio-wheel filter... without the Bio-Wheel. Take a look at this page from Marineland and look down at the photos of the Penguin Mini. Notice it looks the same? That's because it is. Regent is Walmart's "In-House" brand which of course they pay another company to make for them and it happens to be Marineland. If that is in fact your filter, then you have a 100 Gallon Per Hour flow which is 10x your 10 Gal tank, so you are fine with the filter you have and do not need a different filter.
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Old August 20th, 2007  
Fish Keeper
 
Re: a couple things.

ok thats good
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Old August 20th, 2007  
Moderator ~ Betta Mommy
 
Re: a couple things.

Wolfgang it was Luniyn's post I was mostly referring to more than yours. I believe that they were referring to some things that I had an issue with. I certainly can understand it taking a bit to get the equipment you need. It is just our hope that folks usually get the equipment before they get the fish but sometimes that does not happen or some tweaking is necessary and that is something that is part of life. We just try to do the best we can to help when those situations arise. Please, do not feel I was criticizing you.

Rose
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Old August 20th, 2007  
Fish Keeper
 
Re: a couple things.

ok i just found a 55 gallon tank on the side of the road too lol and im making sur ei have all teh right equipment and that it is cycled before i get any fishies it had a wisper 60 in it is that acceptable? free is good
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Old August 20th, 2007  
Fish Master
 
Re: a couple things.

I've seen the picture with the 55 gallon tank. It's so cool you found it Best of luck with it!
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Old August 20th, 2007  
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Re: a couple things.

My 55 is running with a Whisper 60. Seems to be doing ok.
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