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Old September 24th, 2008  
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Axolotls

Some pics of my axolotls

Delilah ~ female




Sam ~ female






This one shows their tank
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Old September 24th, 2008  
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Thanks Alasse
Very cool .
I have a wild type and gold also . Great minds think alike ..lol
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Old September 24th, 2008  
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They're so freaky looking! Thanks for sharing the pics.
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Old September 24th, 2008  
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Nice photos! How much does those axolotls cost? May you pls. translate it in Philippine Pesos and it is nice to keep a axolotl. I used to keep a fire-bellied newt. I cost more than 100 pesos.
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Old September 24th, 2008  
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Nice pix, weird fish. I have seen them at our lfs here.
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Old September 24th, 2008  
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Those fish are so cool!
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Old September 25th, 2008  
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They aren't fish. They are an amphibian; just about any species of the family Ambystoma caught in the middle of metamorphosis. The most common is the Tiger Salamander though.

Its called paedomorphosis. They basically are born aquatic and stay that way unless it is necessary to fully metamorph, then they lose their external gills and develop lungs. An example would be if the habitat they were in dried out, they would have to deelop lungs so they didn't die.

Zoology lesson for the day! We just studied amphibians.

They are very neat creatures though! Nice looking ones that you have!

Cory
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Old September 25th, 2008  
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They're also one of the few animals that breeds prior to their final form.

The non-albino one is absolutely beautiful. I've never seen one before.
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Old September 30th, 2008  
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Nice looking animals they look like sirens, which are very cool also, good pictures.
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Old September 30th, 2008  
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Sirens have the same appeareance except they do not have hind limbs.
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Old October 4th, 2008  
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They aren't fish. They are an amphibian; just about any species of the family Ambystoma caught in the middle of metamorphosis. The most common is the Tiger Salamander though.

Its called paedomorphosis. They basically are born aquatic and stay that way unless it is necessary to fully metamorph, then they lose their external gills and develop lungs. An example would be if the habitat they were in dried out, they would have to deelop lungs so they didn't die.

Zoology lesson for the day! We just studied amphibians.

They are very neat creatures though! Nice looking ones that you have!

Cory
Actually since I am good at animals, They will never turn into land-dwelling animals. Axolotls will stay aquatic forever til they die.
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Old October 4th, 2008  
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Actually axolotls are a different species from tiger sals, they are both related and can interbreed with eachother, but they're different species. They are neotenic, rather than phaedomorphic. Years and years ago one kept its larval form and over the years prospered. They almost never morph, except on very rare situations, which are sometimes due to the admission of horomones in some lab. They don't cost much if you know where to get them. Some petshops and other places will try to sell them for alot of money, but alot of experienced breeders will charge alot less money. Probably $25 and under in U.S. dollars. Sometimes they'll even give them away for free. They breed like crazy! I don't konw of any breeders in the Phillipines, but some petshops around there might have them.

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Old October 4th, 2008  
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Actually since I am good at animals, They will never turn into land-dwelling animals. Axolotls will stay aquatic forever til they die.
Cory's right. These guys do have a terrestrial form that's meant to save them when the lake bed dries up. If they are in a slowly-lowering water-level, some will metamorphose, thus allowing them to survive and breed when the water comes back. If they didn't have this ability, there would be no axolotls.
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Old October 4th, 2008  
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This may be the truth in the wild, it is not the case in captivity. If you try to lower the water level or provide adverse water conditions in order for them to morph into a terrestrial form, they will probably die. And also, they aren't any species of Ambystoma. Axolotls are specifically Ambystoma mexicanum. Tiger salamanders are Ambystoma mavortium.

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Old October 4th, 2008  
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Like I said earlier it is most any species of ambystoma. The tiger salamander I am referring to is Ambystoma tigrinum and through paedomorphosis it is referred to as an Axolotl - A. mavortium is neotonic as well though. Now the technical Axolotl, A. mexicanum, is fully aquatic. But there are other species, that when in a paedomorphic state are referred to as Axolotls.

There are many other Ambystoma species that are endure paedomorphosis(essentially the same thing). A. taylori, A. tigrinum, A. velasci, A. dumerilii, and many others. These will, under conditions, complete metamorphosis and become terrestrial adults.

Cory

P.S. All of my information was out of a Zoology Textbook and from a Biologist.

I forgot to add in my earlier post that all species classified as axolotls reproduce neotonically.

Last edited by Coryd55; October 4th, 2008 at 05:24 PM.
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Old October 6th, 2008  
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Actually in France I think they accidentally forgot about their axolotl and its water slowly dried up or something IN CAPTIVITY. The owners came back to see their post-axolotls became salamanders.
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Old October 6th, 2008  
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This may be the truth in the wild, it is not the case in captivity. If you try to lower the water level or provide adverse water conditions in order for them to morph into a terrestrial form, they will probably die.
Again, not quite right. Adverse water conditions will kill them, but if you slowly lower the water level and keep the water very clean, there is a chance that they will morph. This has occurred in both hobby and research settings.
It's not something that's suggested, because only a small number of them will actually morph (still enough to keep the species alive if their lake dries up), but that doesn't mean it can't happen. It just means it's not a good idea.

As for the species, if their name is Ambystoma Mexicanum, then yes, they are part of the Ambystoma species. That's how the Latin naming system works.

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