fishingman001

about 3 weeks ago i finished treating ICH in my tank. today i looked at some of my fish and there are white specs on the angel fish fins and on the weather loach. is that even possible to get ich again so soon? i did have to move my fish a couple days ago. could they have gotten stressed from that enough for the ich to attack??

if i do have ich i am going to add some aquarium salt. how much do i add? and for how long do i keep adding it?

is Quick Cure safe for all my fish?

will the high temperatures kill any fish that i have?

thanks.

Lucy

I'm sorry you're having to battle ich.
How did you treat it before? It's possible not all the spores where killed off or vacummed up.
I don't think loaches do well with salt. I could be wrong though.

fishingman001

i raised the temp to 86 for 2 weeks and did several waters changes over the 2 weeks. now i am thinking about using quick cure as well as heat.

Lucy

I've never used quick cure, so I can't comment on it.
Did you do thorough gravel vac also?
Do a search on the forum for Ich. Someone had a thread up on a treatment they used and were very pleased with the results.
I'm sorry, I can't find it at the moment. I'll keep looking.

Here's a good article in FL magazine about Ichthyophthirius Fish Disease

fishingman001

thanks for the advice and the article. the gravel vacs were my water changes. i did about 3-4 a week for 2 weeks.

aquarist48

Hello Fishingman. Sorry you're having to battle ICH again. If it wasn't the stress of the move then they may have caught a chill. Sudden temperature fluctuations are a major cause along with stress.

I do not recommend salt for ICH treatment.

Ich: An Old Cure for an Old Disease

Best of luck.
Ken

Shawnie

oh no im also sorry about that pain in the bum ich!!!
I dont think the move would have done it though but you never know!...what are all the fish you have in the tank? and have you checked your water parimeters lately? this is such a new tank that it could be residual effects of the cycle process that has played a part on them ...angels wont care for salt either as well as the loach....

fishingman001

i do have a lot of fish but i check my water about each week and it is always perfect.

2 Angel fish, 1 Cory cat, 4 glass cats, 6 Glo Fish, 2 blueberry and 2 strawberry tetras, 3 cardinal tetras, 3 neons, 4 cherry barbs, 4 guppies, 2 cherry swords, 2 black swords, 1 female weather loach, 1 bristlenose pleco, 1 crayfish, 1 baby electric blue lobster

all of my fish are either an inch long or less than that.

Shawnie

wowsers your right you do have allot
and thats probably whats causing the ich...
the stress from lack of space is probably the cause ...

fishingman001

there is a lot of space in the aquarium though...almost all of the fish are very small and will stay small (except the angels and weather loach). i will be getting rid of the swords though because they are part of a biology experiment.

what is the correct amount of fish? what is the magic number?

thanks.

Shawnie

well a 30g is recommended for a pair of angels...especially if they are a m/f combo...if they spawn, they will harass or kill the others if they come near their eggs/fry....usually its 1inch of fish per gallon to start off....its not a rule of thumb , but on newer setups, its a great place to start ...your cories like to be in schools to feel safer and act more like cories ....your weather loach also likes others of their own ....but not possible as you know in that tank your crayfish and your lobster is probably harrassing anything and everything it can get near when the lights go out..and will eat whatever they can catch so thats probably more stress ...its not always size that causes stress which causes ich, but sometimes is stocking as well....I hope things get better!

fishingman001

if i take the crayfish out would that cut down on the stress the lobster is about half an inch long. when that gets big i will sell it. i don't know the sex of the angels. they just calmly swim around the tank.

Shawnie

the crayfish and lobster probably need their own tank....and if I remember correctly, they are more for a brackish tank (other members will correct me if im wrong) ive never kept them but I do know if they can catch a fish, they will eat it no matter what size it is...allot of fish become less active at night time and the crays and lobsters go on the hunt ....as far as the others left in the tank, its doable with extra water changes..unless the angels pair up..then trouble could happen again...but the proper schools are needed but I dont think you have room for more of anything right now

when you say your water parimeters are ok, what were the last readings you took? and what test kit are you using? seeing how the tank is just a bit over a month and a half old, im wondering if the cycle is an issues too?

fishingman001

i use an API master test kit
my levels were:
ammonia-0
nitrite-0
nitrate-12
pH-6.8

i usually do 5 gallon water changes about every 3 weeks. is that ok?

i am giving the crayfish to a local school where they can take care of it. the lobster is only about as big as a ghost shrimp. if he is that size would he still harass the fish?

thanks again for the help.

Meenu

I would change the water a little more often. I agree with Shawnie that stocking might be causing stress.

I plugged i your tank parameters here, without including everythin g in your tank:
http://aqadvisor.com/AqAdvisor.php?A...&AqVolUnit=gUS

and got this result:
Warning: Angelfish will likely to fin nip Guppy.
Warning: At least 6 x Peppered Cory are recommended in a group.
Warning: At least 6 x Glass Catfish are recommended in a group.
Warning: At least 6 x Head and Tail Light Tetra are recommended in a group.
Warning: Angelfish is too big to co-exist with Head and Tail Light Tetra
Warning: Angelfish is too aggressive to co-exist with Head and Tail Light Tetra
Warning: At least 6 x Cardinal Tetra are recommended in a group.
Warning: Angelfish is too aggressive to co-exist with Cardinal Tetra
Warning: At least 6 x neon tetra are recommended in a group.
Warning: Angelfish is too big to co-exist with Neon Tetra
Warning: Angelfish is too aggressive to co-exist with Neon Tetra
Warning: At least 6 x Cherry Barb are recommended in a group.
Warning: Angelfish is too aggressive to co-exist with Cherry Barb
Warning: At least 3 x Clown Loach are recommended in a group.


No errors.

Warning: You NEED to add more aquarium filtration capacity!!!

Your aquarium filtration capacity for above selected species is 31%.
Your aquarium is 157% stocked.


edit: oh, and a couple of yours weren't on the list do I substituted the best I could

fishingman001

i do agree that the tank is over stocked. what fish should i remove? i can give the 2 angelfish to my neighbor who has a 125 gallon with suitable fish.

more filtration? i have a aquarclear 50. should i put that in the tank as well

thanks for the website i will use that in the future for help.

Meenu

when i plugged in a second filter on the website, it said you still need more filtration, so i'm not sure. If I were you, I'd play around with the website and see what will work. On fishlore, most people recommend 1 inch of fish per gallon, considering the size of the fish when fully grown. By that calculation, you are 3-4 times overstocked. That website (provided by Jaysee, another member), is much more generous, since it considers filters, etc.

edit - i think that angels need taller tanks, so giving them up might solve some of your issues. Maybe someone else can chime in on this.

yhbae

Its a good thing that you guys are posting the results of aqadvisor.com warnings as well. I too am after more knowledge since I certainly haven't tried raising all species before so some of them are educated guesses. If any of you don't agree with what the site report, please let me know and I can address it. More data it receives, more accurate the site will become over time!

It always helps to check the result against more experienced users on the forum to be sure.

Nick G

It told me an Oscar will grow too big for a 90gal. I'd disagree with that.

yhbae

Hi there,

Thanks for your feedback. Currently, DB says it requires a tank with a footprint of 72x18 which is a huge tank. I believe that's a 125g tank.

I quickly looked up on Google again and recommendations are all over the place, ranging from 30g! (I'm sure that's too small) to 125g. Most common ones are around 75g (same footprint as 90g) so I may change it to that size...

Shawnie

your filter is perfectly fine..it has a GPH of 300....plenty to handle your tank...although extra filtration never hurts , you do not have to rush to put the 50 on t here....if you give the angels to your neighbor, and rehome the crays, your tank will be great...adding a few more cories to the school and you should be good to go...id keep the temps up to 84 for two weeks with some extra bubble rocks to add more oxygen (warmer water has less oxygen) do 2 gravel vacs a week and see how the fish are doing after that...dont medicate as you will loose your cycle.....good luck!

fishingman001

thanks Shawnie for the help...the angels are gone and so are the crays.

fishingman001

what do i do with the baby sword i have?? can i keep him in the tank?? will it survive 85 degree temps? thanks.