pinkfloydpuffer

Now my dear Moby is gone. In two short weeks I've lost the three bettas that I'd had the longest. I don't even have tears left to mourn all of these precious losses.
This can't be coincindence.
All 3 of them shared a divided 10g when they were all alive. Then Winter died and Volta and Moby had it alone. Then Volta died and Moby was alone but moved to a smaller tank. And now Moby is gone. I have no idea what disease could kill so fast and with no symptoms though. I am so confused. Obviously water quality is ideal, and the water company said they'd made no changes at all recently. So all that's left is some sort of disease. I am at a complete and total loss...
Please, any ideas would be so helpful. There is the possibility that I could lose more of my babies if I don't find out what's wrong. I appreciate you all so much.

Amanda

I'm so sorry.
I don't know of any disease that would kill like that.

Lucy

Oh Pink, I'm so sorry. How hard this must be for you.

pinkfloydpuffer

I've been consulting Dave... he suggested IPs. It's the only thing that could remotely make sense. I feel like such an idiot... if it's IPs, and me being a 'puffer IP removing expert'.... but this isn't at all like how IPs work in puffers. Either way, there's much work to be done so I don't lose any more fishes...

MissMTS

What??!!! I can't believe you lost Moby I am sooo unbelievebly sorry Pink Hang in there. You will get to the bottom of this. For now, until you figure out what it is, I would sterilize all your equipment (siphons, nets, etc) in between uses. Maybe you should try dosing your tanks with Lifeguard. Its supposed to work against fungal, bacterial infections, ICH, etc. I hope the rest of your babies stay safe and healthy.

TedsTank

So sorry....was Moby our our puffer-bunny?

What do you feed them??...could it possibly be contaminated food? Dry foods can spoil, they can get mold, but you can't see until it is way advanced.

pinkfloydpuffer

Moby was my platinum plakat boy. They got hikari bio-gold betta pellets and hikari frozen bloodworms, as well as a few other frozen foods.


I thought I was being safe. Apparently not.
I found my cute little half-light half-dark dragon stuck to the filter intake. She was the one I had picked out for myself from the first time I saw her. I added Jungle PC to their tank. I'm thinking it might be too late though... I have four dragon babies left in there that could all be infected. I'm just praying that they'll pull through okay, and that no one else will get infected. I'm keeping a close eye on the other fish. So far, MMs sorority girls seem fine, and so do the pair of turquoise/green halfmoon dragons (Grace and зима). I'm running extra bleach through Moby's old tank right now. Hopefully that's enough to kill this nasty thing off.

This is heartbreaking. 4 bettas dead so far.

MissMTS

I'm so sorry about your new dragon betta Pink This must be so hard for you...

Alessa

Pink, im really sorry.

However, I dealt with something like this before. When I nearly lost my entire 29 gallon tank. My fish began dying without symptoms, one after the other, without warning.
I believe there is a new disease lurking around.

pinkfloydpuffer

Thanks girls

Alessa, you said you nearly lost the whole tank. Did you find anything that helped fight the disease? Or did you just get lucky?

IIIHawKIII

man, that sucks. wish we could all come together and figure something out...

i remember seeing the thread about your divided tank....anything in there that could be leeching stuff out? used aquarium silicone correct?

no rocks with pyrite or anything?

pinkfloydpuffer

Yep, aquarium silicone. Everything else in the tank is a made-for-aquarium-use decoration, a piece of natural driftwood from the petstore, and some live plants....

Alessa

Unfortunately, nothing of what I did helped. The only things that survived were one guppy and a bunch of platy fry. Everything else died day after day, no signs, no warning. I was terrified because there was no way I could tell what was happening.

I just got luck but this thing is deadly, kills overnight and has no signs or symptoms. It was a 90% loss for me not counting the fry.

IIIHawKIII

but then again....anything that would have been leeching probably would have made them gradually more and more lethargic. they are fine and then die almost immediately?

cause i have had the same thing happen in the last 3 days. my pearl gourami was fine and then when i got home from work, corpse was sucked to the filter tube.

yesterday i had a harlequin rasbora that was fine when i left for a cookout. got home 7 hours later, dead on the filter tube.

MissMTS

Hey Pink, I know you are probably not thinking about this right now, but if you are working on sterilizing your tanks, I would do a bleach dip on your plants. I know plants can be expensive to replace, and I would hate to see you throw them out beceause they could be contaminated. I did it before and it keeps disease from being spread and you can move your plants to another tank. Soak the plants in 19 parts water, 1 part bleach for 3 minutes and then rinse them thoroughly in water. Add dechlorinator to the tank that you add the plants to and it will neutralize any chlorine or chemicals that are left on the plants.

prairielilly

Very sorry to hear of this PFP. It sucks to lose ANY fish, let alone several and not have any idea of the cause.

I wonder if it isn't something viral.

Regal

I’m so sorry you lost your fish.

I agree it can’t possibly be a coincidence.

What about something like insecticides? I’m sure if you had an exterminator recently you would have thought of that. But what about something less obvious like a neighbor getting their lawn sprayed with a weed killer or insecticide and something drifting in through a screen? Just a thought

IIIHawKIII

i was just hoppin on to ask if you had been doing any yardwork or other activities where something could have gotten onto your hands or into the tank by some other means.

pinkfloydpuffer

Darn, I was hoping something worked. Well, thank you.

Yep, one day perfectly fine, next day I come home to find them dead.

I sterilized Moby's tank already, but it didnt' have any live plants.
But thinking forward... in the juvie tank there is hornwort, java fern, and java moss attached to driftwood. Would a bleach dip work on all of those plants? Including the driftwood?

That would be interesting... but sad, since then I can't do a thing about it.

Well, my room where all my fish are is in the basement as far away from the stairs as possible. I never open the windows. So I don't think it's that.

No yardwork either. I am pretty careful to wash my hands with only the tiniest amount of soap and then rinse very thoroughly before getting into the tanks.


Thanks for the help everybody. Two of the dragons look fine, and two of them seem sluggish....

pinkfloydpuffer

Another betta gone



All 5 of these dragons didn't even have names yet... now there's only 3 left

Lucy

Omg Pink, I'm so sorry. Are these the new ones you ordered? Maybe they brought something in with them?
You don't think we're looking at a re-occurance Iridovirus virus again do you?

pinkfloydpuffer

Yeah they are. I don't think so, because it went Winter->Volta->Moby->little ones. If they brought it in then it is logical that they would get sick first. Yeah, I just really don't think that's how it went.

I lost another one about a half hour ago. That brings me to two...

Hm... I don't know enough about iridovirus to say.... I'll have to look into that.

mare2009

I am so sorry for your beloved bettas, Pink. It is heart-wrenching to go through. I found a lot of info for caring for my Sully here at this site, perhaps it can help you in some way to investigate what is going on.. Its a hard read, but you have the experience so I'm hopeful this will be informative. http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/fwlinks.htm

catfishlover123

Probably some germs got in. So sorry about your loss. It's always sad to lose fish.

Regal

this is insane, they're going so fast. I feel so sorry for you and I wish someone could come up with something to save the others. I can't think of anything. If it were me I'd probably put some fresh tap water in a bucket and add some stress coat from a brand new bottle then just put them in the bucket in a last ditch effort to save them. It seems like something is poisoning them. Something in the tank, or food, or something.

MissMTS

Pink, I am so sorry that you lost two more of your little ones As far as the driftwood goes, I would do a bleach dip, rinse it really well, and then boil it for about 30 mins. This will insure that it is completely sterilized.

agabr123

pink i'm so sorry i can't believe how fast you're losing your little ones. hang in there i wish i had more advice for you

IIIHawKIII

i think the bleach will kill the java moss. not sure about the fern tho.

now are all these fish in different tanks? was thinkin about a runaway heater or something, but i'm sure you've checked that.

i'm thinkin about stuff that could be goin on. i'm tryin to help ya out.

Shawnie

wowsers I missed this thread...im so sorry for the losses pink....devistating for sure especially with no signs of illness prior...

do all the tanks where fish have passed have hornwort in them? curious as it grows so fast and covers so much of the top of the tank wondering if the surface is enough for them to get air...any of the tank bottoms have sand subtrate? just throwing out some suggestions I can think of without any visual marks on them

I really hope you find out whats going on and goodluck with the rest of the babies

pinkfloydpuffer

The temp is fine...
The hornwort was added recently and isn't that big yet. No sand either.

I'm sad to say that the remaining two didn't make it. I removed all the plants from the tank and just poured in some bleach to let it run through the whole tank while I'm at work today.

I'm just praying that this is over. I lost 8 of my precious bettas, including the one that was most special to me. I only have 6 bettas left now. My poor little heart can't take much more of this.

Thank you everyone so much for the help. I really appreciate it.