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April 2nd, 2009
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| | Fish Helper
| Fungus clear for Dropsy.
I now know for sure that some of my fish have dropsy.
One of my smaller tiger barbs has a bloated belly and it's scales are raised in that area. One of the larger TB's was doing very badly by not being able to swim properly, so that is when I decided to treat the tank.
I treated the tank with Fungus cure tank buddies 4 days ago. I put the carbon back in last night and did a 30% water change. The larger tiger barb is doing better, but still the smaller one and the larger won't eat and the smaller one is still puffed up with raised scales.
Should I find something else to treat the fish with or should I just medicate again with fungus clear?
Thanks for the patience everyone. Every answer is very much appreciated. | 
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April 2nd, 2009
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| | Fish Mentor
| You can do a second treatment. I would. Just perform a 25% water change before adding a second dose just as the directions say. It wouldn't hurt to add some extra Stress Coat too. 
Are you treating them in a q-tine tank or the main tank?
I hope everything turns out well for you and your fish. | |
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April 2nd, 2009
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| Quote:
Originally Posted by AlyeskaGirl  You can do a second treatment. I would. Just perform a 25% water change before adding a second dose just as the directions say. It wouldn't hurt to add some extra Stress Coat too.
Are you treating them in a q-tine tank or the main tank?
I hope everything turns out well for you and your fish. | Okay, I will do that today.
I'm treating all of them in my 20 gallon. My 2 guppies have been out of the 20 gallon for over a month so I'm not going to treat them.
Thanks. I hope so too. | |
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April 2nd, 2009
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| | Fish Master
| i also wouldn't recommend changing the medication now. good luck! | |
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April 2nd, 2009
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Originally Posted by wakingupnow Okay, I will do that today.
I'm treating all of them in my 20 gallon. My 2 guppies have been out of the 20 gallon for over a month so I'm not going to treat them.
Thanks. I hope so too. | The reason I asked is that by putting meds in the main tank will kill off some of the bacteria if not all. Even if the meds state that it will not harm biological filtration you should still use a q-tine/hospital tank to be safe. I know the Jungle Parasite Tank Buddies states on the box that it wont hurt the bio-filter but the Fungus Tank Buddies doesn't say that.
Have you tested the water since you treated it to make sure? Because I had no choice in my 20-gal recently to use the Fungus Tank Buddies too and it killed my bacteria. I am waiting for Tetra Safe Start to get here so I can cycle the tank again.
I have been having a huge problem of disease outbreaks lately. I would get it cleared up and it would come back. So lastnight I did a 90% water change with a good gravel vac, replaced sponge, threw away old bio-module pack because it was looking nasty, even from rinsing, rinsed off the newer bio-module pack that I had in there and filter in dechlorinated freshwater. Cleaned the impeller also. The fish still had some slight cloudy eyes when i did all that maint. Made sure pH was in good range. Got up this morning and they looked great! | |
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April 2nd, 2009
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| Quote:
Originally Posted by AlyeskaGirl The reason I asked is that by putting meds in the main tank will kill off some of the bacteria if not all. Even if the meds state that it will not harm biological filtration you should still use a q-tine/hospital tank to be safe. I know the Jungle Parasite Tank Buddies states on the box that it wont hurt the bio-filter but the Fungus Tank Buddies doesn't say that.
Have you tested the water since you treated it to make sure? Because I had no choice in my 20-gal recently to use the Fungus Tank Buddies too and it killed my bacteria. I am waiting for Tetra Safe Start to get here so I can cycle the tank again.
I have been having a huge problem of disease outbreaks lately. I would get it cleared up and it would come back. So lastnight I did a 90% water change with a good gravel vac, replaced sponge, threw away old bio-module pack because it was looking nasty, even from rinsing, rinsed off the newer bio-module pack that I had in there and filter in dechlorinated freshwater. Cleaned the impeller also. The fish still had some slight cloudy eyes when i did all that maint. Made sure pH was in good range. Got up this morning and they looked great! | Eeek!
I didn't know that. I actually searched to see if the fungus cure would do anything to the bacteria, but I couldn't find anything on it so I just went along with it. My larger tiger barb was doing so badly that I felt you know, that I had to do it then and there.
Don't have a QT tank either. I will though be getting another 20 gallon for my birthday in May so the 8 gal could be my real qt tank. The guppies are in there now..lol I couldn't take the though of them living in a 3 quart pitcher with a bubbler any more. They are having so much fun though and their tails seem to really be growing in nicely from fin rot about a month ago.
After checking the parameters everything seem normal though my pH was a little high. ammonia-0 nitrite-0 nitrate- 5mg/L and pH was 7.6.. I'm keeping my fingers crossed in hopes that a good amount of the bacteria is still alive.
I'm glad to hear your fishies are doing well and I hope the sickness is gone for good! :-) It gets quite frustrating when you just want happy and healthy fish and some meds don't really work. | |
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April 3rd, 2009
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| | Fish Mentor
| I hope everything turns out well for you and your fish.
I actually have a plastic tub, cheap filter, heater and airstone for a q-tine tank.  I also have a 10-gal tank too that I setup for another q-tine. I was havin problems in both my tanks and needed more space to medicate without overcrowding. | |
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April 4th, 2009
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| | Fish Helper
| Thank you.
I have another question.
My Platy has this white thing on his fin. It's very small and doesn't look like ICH, but I could be mistaken.
There aren't any other white spots on the other fish..It's pretty much just that one little thing, but it's bugging me..
Should I worry?
Sorry Alex I didn't see your post. Thanks and I won't change it up. | |
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April 4th, 2009
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| | Fish Master
| Sorry I might have missed something but... fungus clear for Dropsy?... | |
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April 4th, 2009
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| Quote:
Originally Posted by Red1313 Sorry I might have missed something but... fungus clear for Dropsy?... | Hmmmm, same here. I've never heard of using fungus clear for Dropsy. Drospy isn't a fungus.
Are your fish bloated or pine coning? | 
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April 4th, 2009
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| | Fish Helper
| One of my smaller tiger barbs is pine coned and bloated. One of the larger ones isn't, but about 5-6 days ago it couldn't even swim.
The fungus clear box says it treats dropsy...
I was reading about maracyn with erythromycin in it. I don't know if I should get it or not. | |
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April 4th, 2009
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| I hate to say it but I've never heard of Dropsy being cured. So sorry you're having these problems. Best of luck. | |
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April 4th, 2009
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| | Fish Mentor
| For the fungus on my fish I use tetracicline is a antibiotic good for numerous bacterial infection and fungus and sores also. I think it may help with dropsy but only in early stage if the fish is already loosing color and is not eating he won't eat the med. This is used 5 drops per fish so fish needs to be isolated. Good luck. | |
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April 4th, 2009
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| This article might come in help, but once they pine cone it's usually too late.  Dropsy | |
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April 4th, 2009
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| | Fish Master
| The actual pine coning effect that we see is due to fluid accumulation in the fishes body. However the fluid is just a symptom so you'd need to find the cause of the fluid (often an internal infection or liver failure). I'm not sure what would be in fungus cure that would work but I wish you the best of luck. | |
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April 4th, 2009
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| | Fish Helper
| I think this all started with my Molly Inky which had a severe case of it (I didn't know at the time) and she got swollen in 1 day and died.
The tiger barbs aren't doing bad. Both of them are still eating. I have them in a make-shift hospital tank at the moment because I thought it might be infectious...or at least it seems infectious.
If things get worse I might have to euthanize ?? That's scary, but if this means it will put them out of their suffering I will...Only if they stop eating though. I truly truly hope I don't have to destroy them.
What do you guys think? Should I euthanize the TB that is pineconed? Will it be better this way?? | |
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April 4th, 2009
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| I would consider euthanizing if he is pineconed. It will save him a lot of suffering...but I know it's a hard thing to do.
That's good they're in a q tank, dropsy is usually caused by an internal bacterial infection that could definately be spread to other fish.
For the record, fungus clear is actually a bacterial med. It is called fungus clear cause it's meant for "fungus" which is a bacterial disease. I have found it effective against finrot, but it's far too weak to do anything about dropsy.
I have heard of dropsy being cured in the early stages (before pineconing) by a combination of kanamycin sulfate (Kanaplex) and epsom salts. The epsom draws fluid out of the fish, keeping the bloating from killing it to quickly, and the kanamycin is a strong antibiotic that *may* be able to treat the infection in some cases. | |
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April 4th, 2009
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| How do I euthanize? | |
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April 4th, 2009
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| | Fish Mentor
| Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucy Hmmmm, same here. I've never heard of using fungus clear for Dropsy. Drospy isn't a fungus.
Are your fish bloated or pine coning? | The Jungle Fungus Clear Tank Buddies treats a variety of fungus and bacteria-related conditions according to the back of the box and it has Dropsy listed. | |
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April 4th, 2009
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Originally Posted by AlyeskaGirl The Jungle Fungus Clear Tank Buddies treats a variety of fungus and bacteria-related conditions according to the back of the box and it has Dropsy listed. | It may be listed, but IMO it won't help.
0morrokh's suggestions are the only ones I've heard that might be effective in the early stages. | |
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April 5th, 2009
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| | Fish Helper
| Update:
I now have another tiger barb that has it. It's actually Barbie, the TB I've had since the beginning. I put him in the qt tank. Just last night he was fine and today is belly is puffed up and his belly scales are raised..
Hopefully one of the pet stores has kanaplex or at least something else for dropsy.
I don't know how to euthanize. | |
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April 5th, 2009
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| | Fish Mentor
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Originally Posted by Lucy It may be listed, but IMO it won't help.
0morrokh's suggestions are the only ones I've heard that might be effective in the early stages. | Thanks Lucy, that is good to know. | |
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April 5th, 2009
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| | Fish Keeper
| I am sorry your fish are sick,and with dropsy. The sad thing is I have never heard of any fish with dropsy recovering. It's listed on some meds,as treatable,but as a preventative measure,not a cure. Some fish may have recovered from some other illness such as bloating or constipation that can cause the belly and other areas to swell,but actual dropsy where the scales are raised (pineconing) has never had a documented success of recovery.
I would seperate the affected fish,and either allow them to live until time runs out (I wouldn't they are in extreme distress and suffering) or (recommended) to euthanise the fish. Best way to euthanise a fish, is using clove oil.
1) seperate the fish into small QT container so they dont have much swim room
2) add a tablespoon of cloveoil (found at most grocery stores)
3) watch the fish fall asleep,watch for signs of gills to stop functioning.
4) say goodbye and bury in garden (or dispose of in a manner of your choice)
This is the only method of euthanising I use and don't recommend any other. | |
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April 5th, 2009
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| | Fish Helper
| Thanks for the help about the clove oil.
I was wondering, the larger of the 3 sick barbs seems to be doing fine, but is slightly weak. He doesn't have any raised scales and no bloating and never had it either, but was just really weak and sick. Should I move him back to the main tank? | |
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April 5th, 2009
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| I wouldn't move a sick or suspected sick fish into the main aquarium for any reason,I would definitely keep him in quarantine until he is well. 1) keeps the other fish from catching whatever is making the fish sick 2) moving a sick fish causes more stress and isn't needed 3) a sick fish will be harassed and chased and picked on and sometimes killed by the healthy fish,nature's survival of the fittest. I would leave the sick fish in quarantine. | |
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April 21st, 2009
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| Hey, I have updates about my Tiger Barbs.
Barbie, one of the barbs I had from the get go died about 5 days ago. He ate and swam until his end. I noticed earlier that day he had pop-eye in one of his eyes and then he passed. The other small tiger barb still has bad pine coning, but is active and eating well. I wasn't able to euthanize because I couldn't find any clove oil, but I feel that he is close to his end as well. I've been adding very small amounts of epsom salts during water changes to help alleviate some swelling.
The thing is, the larger Tiger barb that is in the QT tank with the small pine coned one is doing very well. He's active and his color is great, no pine coning or pop eye or anything. , he looks better than the fish in my main tank..lol just kidding.
They have been in there for approximately 18 days. When would it be time to transfer the healthy barb back to the main tank? | |
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