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Old December 30th, 2008  
Fish Keeper
 
Attack of the Ich

ETA: Sorry for the length...I'm kinda freaking out here...


Affected Sytems:

10 Gal Quar Tank
- 1x 2" Green Terror

29 Gal Quar Tank in order of addition
- 1 2" BN
- 1 1.5" SAE
- 3x 1.5" Pictus Catfish
- 1 Albino BN
- 5x 1-1.5" Firemouth

Water Parameters:
Temp: 79 degrees F
pH: 7.2
NH4+: 0
NO2-: 0
NO3-: 20-25 (nitrate in the tap water here...can't do much about that)

Originally all fish were in the 29 except an unlisted BN in the 10. Moved the BN to my planted 29 when the firemouths came home...moved the new fish into the 29 and the GT into the 10.

The 29 Quar is only lit by ambient light and is in a corner of my project room. Other than making sure the fish are all eating well, they get minimal observation after the first week or so outside of their twice-weekly 25% water changes.

Two weeks in (Saturday), I noticed the albino BN had clamped fins and was sluggish, but couldn't see why, likely due to the fish coloring and dim tank. Realized two of the pictus had the first markings of an ICH infection. Read the FL article on ich treatment. Added a very small amount of salt (2T in 29 gal) (can't be used in high amounts with most scaleless fish, ie. my pictus), raising temp to 81, and ran out to get meds since the infestation was already severe.

Returned 30 minutes later...albino BN was dead. Added dose of meds...can't remember the med name at the moment...a formaldehyde-based one intended to work on sensitive fish such as my scaleless pictus. A few hours later raised the temperature again to 83 and went to bed.

Woke up Sunday to find the two affected pictus had passed during the night an the remaining one was now affected. Raised temp in 10 gal to 83 and added 1.5T of salt as a preventative since the GT had shared a tank with the albino BN, which I felt started the whole thing since the newest fish, the FMs, were apparently unaffected when the albino BN died. Performed a 50% water change 24 hours after adding the meds.

Monday morning woke up to find the remaining pictus dead, as well as 2 FMs. The BN and the SAE appeared in very poor condition. Performed another water change, adding salt to the refill water.

This morning, all three remaining FMs, which had been eating before bed last night, several hours after the latest WC, were dead. The remaining BN and the SAE still appear in poor condition (heavily covered in cysts, hanging out by the air stone I added for extra oxygenation via surface turbulence, BN has clamped fins).


So, Questions...

A) I'm sure I did things wrong in this, so if anyone has suggestions for things I should have done differently, please let me know so that (1) I don't repeat that mistake should, God-forbid, this occur again, and (2) so others may learn from my stupidity.

B) What additional things can I do or undo to improve the chances of the two remaining fish?

C) When is the tank considered to be safe/cured/whatever?

I'm still in shock at loosing 8 fish in three days. Since I set up my planted 29 in March I've only lost two fish...an Oto (shortly after aquisition) and a baby Angelfish. Definitely takes a lot of joy out of the hobby. Progress on the 90 gal has stopped as I deal with this, though I need to resume that tonight as the baby GT can't stay in that 10 for long, obviously...he's alreally getting 3x/week water changes though he's only 2" in an attempt to prevent waste/hormone buildup.

I realize I was stupid to add all the fish for the 90 in the quarantine tanks...though the tank wasn't overstocked considering the fish sizes, having them all at once basically undermined the point of a quarantine.

Last edited by Shaina; December 30th, 2008 at 10:57 AM.
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Old December 30th, 2008  
Fish Keeper
 
Lost the SAE...just the BN left and he's looking rough.
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Old December 31st, 2008  
Fish Keeper
 
Sorry all your fish are dying. Did you remember the name of the meds you used? Was the meds for bacterial infections or parasites/protozoa?What do the cysts look like? where are they (mouth,gill covers,tail/side of body,etc)? Other than clamped fins does he eat,swim around or bump into everything?
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Old December 31st, 2008  
Fish Keeper
 
They basically stopped moving around. Some ate, some did not.

The cysts were basically small white dots...mostly on the body and by the gill covers I think, but they were also on the fins.

The med used was Wardley's Ick Out for Sensitive fish - supposed to treat Ich, Fungus, and External parasites. Formaldehyde-based.

The BN died while I was at work today, so they are all dead now. Would still like to know what/why/how if at all possible, as well as how to make the tank safe again as a QT tank.

Thanks for the reply.
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Old January 1st, 2009  
Fish Keeper
 
Any ideas on how to clean the tank most effectively?

I cranked up the heat on the tank for the time being. It's been holding steady at 91.7 Fahrenheit...
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Old January 1st, 2009  
Fish Keeper
 
I have been trying to come up with a solution as to what happened to all the fish.I guess since they are all gone it doesn't matter.

I always use ammonia to 'disinfect' the QT after any and every quarantine period. Leave everything as is and add 10ppm of ammonia.Keep the level up for 3 days,then let it drop off like a fishless cycle.

It will produce large amounts of nitrates,off the scale, but it's ok since there's nothing in the QT,just change the water to bring the nitrates down before adding anything to it.
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Old January 1st, 2009  
Fish Keeper
 
Thanks SoF.

I wish I knew what happened as well. To the best of my knowledge it was Ich, but my fishkeeping experience pales in comparison to many on this board.

All I know for certain is I hope it never, ever happens again.
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