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Old December 21st, 2008  
Fish Helper
 
How fish get ick

I know what ick is, and my fish don't have ick but how do fish get ick? People get diseases by catching them off others, but how do fish get ick if they're in their tank all the time? Is it bad water conditions or something?
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Old December 21st, 2008  
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its like the common cold virus us humans get..its always present but doesnt always effect the fishies unless circumstances provoke it....if conditions are not as they should be, water parimeters, diet, temps, overcrowding, etc pretty much anything that causes stress will bring on the ICH ..and of course like the cold, ich is contagious so adding a fish to your tank that has ich, and the rest get it....just as with us if we dont take care of ourselves, we get a cold
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Old December 21st, 2008  
Fish Keeper
 
Believe it or not there are always diseases present in your tank (don't freak on me!) and when a fish is stressed and/or its immune system has been weekend the fish is prone to all kinds of problems. For example fish that are dyed are more prone to diseases and other problems because they have had their immune systems weekend. just like in the world, there is always a sickness present, but your immune system is weakened already then there is a higher chance you'll get sick. the conditions also have to be right fro ich to appear. so its basically the same scenario as us. when our system is weak, we are open to sickness, a number of things can stress fish like: being in an uncycled tank, or being dyed, someone doing a water change and not adding prime (AKA ammonia poisoning). hope this explains it better! -fishlover78
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Old December 21st, 2008  
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Both of the above are correct. I'm just going to elaborate a bit.

Ich is a parasite that is present in almost all water (I believe there are fresh and salt water versions), and is actually present on most fish at some point in their life. One or two ich parasites at a time will not injure a fish. It's kind of like a leech on a human; unpleasant, but a one or two leeches just can't injure us.

The problem comes in when the fish are stressed, as stated above. Another illness, some sort of poisoning (like nitrate), or even just being kept in a too-small tank can weaken a fish' immune system to the point that ich can flourish.

At that point, ich reproduces pretty rapidly. This is where the "quarantine sick/new fish" comes into play. If introduced in large numbers, ich can overwhelm even a healthy fish' immune system, as Shawnie suggested. So if only one member of a tank is stressed (for whatever reason), and gets ich, the ich can then reproduce to the point that it can actually harm the other fish in the tank.

The final way a fish can get ich is if a tank is treated for ich only until the parasites currently on the fish are dead. This is probably the worst case for any fish. One stage of the parasite lives in cysts in the gravel bed. It takes awhile for these cysts to break open, and when they do, they swarm the fish. Quite a few people here have lost fish to this secondary outbreak of ich. This is why treatment should always go for two weeks or more (two weeks is about the life cycle of the parasite).
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Old December 21st, 2008  
Fish Helper
 
Ick is always present in the tank waiting for the right time to attack...temp change and stress are number one reasons. As stated in above post you can not kill ick on the fish without killing the fish you have to kill the ick or controll it once it leaves the fish the higher the temp causes the ick to fall off to reproduce this is when to kill it or should say reduce the numbers, OTC treatment are good but you have to follow the direction and change the water to reduce the numbers, like stated in other post a few on the fish will not be a problem most fish have some you just can't see them and are not a problem for the fish because of a healthy tank...like yours...you will finds lots of information on this topic as well as treatments and millions of opinions most being correct...remember there is always as many right ways as wrong...it's what works for you...For me my treatment is increase temp, salt and water changes, lots of water changes..this is what works for me, but I am old school and stay away from OTC meds as much as I can.
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Old December 22nd, 2008  
Fish Helper
 
thanks, you guys sure know your fish
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