sawcks

in not totally sure if this is a problem or not as it does come and go but is definitely unsightly

I own three "zebra like" angels, along with many other assorted fish. 2 lobsters, 1 Bristle Nosed Pleco, and some cheaper one's, there in a 50G Tank

IV never had serious Problems with my nitrogen cycle i dont believe, keeping everything maintained by doing weekly water changes, alternating between the 2 filter pad's and cleaning the bottom each week aswell.

what i notice with the angel's everyonce while is ummm
what it is is say something protruding from there rectums??
its not the ussual but say umm somehting larger looks like a jell??
not hard 2 word that
my angels are prob 3 inch, one larger

its few and far between but i though i would check it out?? one was just pregnant but no baby's, everyone is happy, nohting seems 2 be bothering them not even this prob

what could this be and could this be from over feeding?? that may be my problem if not one of many lol

any help is appreciated in advance

Adam Sawchuk

clinton1621

There are two types of parasitic worm that angelfish commonly get in their digestive tract, one is red (camallanus) and the other is a clear brownish color (capillaria). Usually camallanus is the type thats visible sticking through the anal vent of the fish. Fenbendazole is the only sure treatment for killing them that I've heard of. They will eventually spread to your other fish if not treated, and will eventually cause death in all of the affected fish (angelfish included)

sawcks

Your Prob right if it is a Parasite. the colour does appear red i believe
this is not good as i though my tank was cool, and iv never battled disease or parasite in fish before, but i did battle green water algea one time with a 10G

Q.
What causes Parasite's in fish?? Is it something im neglecting or causing??

it has not visibly spread to other fish, my local fish store is full of 12 year old which honestly no nothing, which i find absolutely disturbing thinkin how many fish they go thorugh boggles my mind.

Is this a Product found in Fish store's??

Mr. Ninja i appreciate the Promtness of your reply, as this is a rather filthy subject thx for the words bub

NochMan

sawcks

I again read diffrent Solutions to this Prob

levamisole i read fixxes things up??

http://www.inkmkr.com/Fish/CamellanusTreatment.pdf
check this out, this is were i read this info

id like 2 keep this simply if possible
im thinking back now and i know now that i lost a very old and larger Molly 2 probobly this parasite aswell, only instead of a gooy substance it appeared as red spines protruding form the anus What is goin on with my tank boys n girls??

i know im not the very involved in the forum activity but i do search for info, im unable 2 locate past thread's on camallanus??

is a Pic maybe nessecary?? id Hate 2 loose these fish or my tank, 2 misdiagnosed or wrong treatment??

Noch

mathas

I'm not sure why that would be. I did a search for 'camallanus' and got 36 results, including this thread with good information and pictures.

A picture can only help!

clinton1621

Red spines sticking out of the anus is definitely Camallanus, from what I've heard Levamisole is either hit or miss for this parasite... Fenbendazole as I mentioned before seems to be the only sure thing to kill it... I dont know where or how you can get it though, try looking it up online and maybe you can order it?? Oh and it wasnt anything you did or didnt do... camallanus are usually brought in with new fish, and can apparently not even show up for months! They only start to show poking out of the fish's anus when they have reached high levels... which is where you are now. At this point you either need to treat the fish with Fenbendazole to 100% kill the worms.... or break the tank down, kill the fish, and sterilize everything and anything that was in contact with the tank (nets, hoses, gravel vacs, gravel) The reason I say this is because left untreated these parasites WILL NOT die off, they will only get worse. I know you dont want to hear something like that, but if you can get the Fenbendazole then you have a very good chance of saving the fish and saving yourself a lot of work. If you find it, let me know and I will try to look up a recommended treatment course for you ok.

Fishies-for-me

Oh geeze if it looks like this (see pic below ) it is camallanus worms...I don't know where you can get levimiosole ( which I understand is the only thing that kills them) in the form that you can disolve in the water but Ihave had luck curing my guppys with .." jungle labs medicated internal parisite food" it has levimiosole in it and worked really good for me. Allie is fighting these worms now and has lots a whole lot of fish to them before she relized what was going on and found a treatment for them , but now they are responding to the same food I mentioned. Hope this helps you as these worms are one nasty beast to deal with and untreated WILL kill ff your fish...do you have more than one tank?? This worm can jump tank to tank in as little as a drop of water on a wet hand , hose or net. All tanks need to be treated and or watched. Not sure how it will affect your lobster but the food didn't hurt my shrimp , or snails.... I wish you luck in treating this if it is what you have.

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sawcks

alright so ill do a good search for these products, But im really not sure on which parasite it is if one, becasue in the past it was the red spines on one molly, which has died. Now its maybe the other brownish clear one in the angels, its rarely protruding but noticable not the red spines

Would Fenbendazole do the same for capillaria??

Im sure with some persistance and detemination i can locate this stuff

if im force to breakdown the tank i wont be filling it up with fish but Tropical carnivourous plants, i broke down a 10G with convicts due 2 hassle of care, these parasite's gettin passed around seem like a pandemic since the location of products to cure what was sold to you seems difficult??

im sure there are marketed product's but i dont wanna pretend to fix this problem id rather get the goodstuff as im told.

I's this a Common Problem?? there must be someone who had this parasite and choose not 2 exterminate the tank?? maybe with spare product??

excellent info thx for the help ill possible get a pic

also a good pic of my tank is still due, n maybe some baby lobsters soon!!!

Butterfly

Could it possibly not be parasites and just be their breeding tubes? Some protrude more than others
http://www.fishlore.com/fishforum/an...angelfish.html
Carol

clinton1621

I doubt it, as he said the molly that died also had the red spiny things sticking out of its anus (which would be camallanus)

Another possible option for finding Fenbedazole would be going to a veterinarian... they may also have Levamisole

Butterfly

sawcks you observed the red spines only in the Molly that died is that correct?

The angels don't have any red spines right?

Sorry for all the questions just trying to figure out if the molly protrusion and the angel protrusions looked different.

Take a look at the sexing angelfish link and see if they look anything like that.
Carol

clinton1621

You really need to get a pic... I was going by your other post earlier when you said that the protusions from the angelfish vents looked like red colored stuff, and that the molly died with red colored spikes sticking out of the anus. This is what you said to start with...

Quote #1: Your Prob right if it is a Parasite. the colour does appear red i believe

Quote #2: im thinking back now and i know now that i lost a very old and larger Molly 2 probobly this parasite aswell, only instead of a gooy substance it appeared as red spines protruding form the anus What is goin on with my tank boys n girls??


If its NOT red then it is most likely not camallanus, and Carol may very well be right.... heres another question, when exactly was this Molly in the tank... or was it even in this tank. Being detailed about things will help you get better answers. For example, if you say that you have a fish that died from something, then be specific about whether it was years ago or just recently and whether or not it was in the current tank you are referring to. I'm not trying to be mean to you, it just confuses people when you are not specific about things.

sawcks

Carol i believe your right with your answer, after looking at the thread i believe it might be just the sexing tubes, although they have protruded quite far.

when i first started this hobby i purchesed three molly's. which resided in a 10G tank with a smaller pleco, during this time in the 10G i noticed 1 fish die from reasons unknown, and the other was obviosly battling some serious camallanus. which eventually killed it. the remaining molly's has survived and is now in a larger 50G tank with all my other fish including the angel's and the pleco.

I observed all the other fish including the molly and there are no Red spines or prutrutions of any type, say without a product can you get rid of this parasite??

because im 100% sure thats what killed my second molly. and im not sure y all other fish dont have it?? All remaining molly's in 50G are offspring's of a Molly from the 10G and were in the 10G with the sick fish.

My fish have a wide range of foods in there "diet". Bloodworms, Flakes, Daphnia, Feeder fish, chilid pellets, Algea pellets, Assorted frozen foods, small bugs, feed them 3 times daily alternating foods.

The reason i was worried was because it did seem slightly enlarged around the anus and also it appeared to be causing problem's with it when dumping yaknow.

one was just pregnant, with a very large belly, and strange attitude but unfortunitely no baby fish. The belly is gone though.

my photoperiod is def messed, i do not have room for timer's so the tank rely's on someone turning on and off the tank. it is barely planted as the lobsters must eat. tearing up any root's visible, and eventually the plant itself.
can photo period be a problem?? i try to stick with a 12H on/off.


I have some great pics 2 post, But i need a new photo host as putfile is
not working for me anymore. any recommendations??

SORRY FOR ALL THE CONFUSION EVERYONE
thx for the help carol and you mr. Ninja. very helpful and everyone else aswell