silas313

Okay sorry but this may be long and it may not make alot of sense but suggestions and help and names of medicines and etc would help. Ive been doing research on many diseases and stuff on my fish or what may be in the tank. But a few things have same symptoms as another thing and yet its different medicine for that treatment. So instead of going out and buying 100 bucks of all medcine i can find in the fish world ill ask for help and advice. I ll be honest and tell ya about my tanks not being cycled properly. It ****ed up when i added fish. But i got a 29 gal tank from walmart stardard stuff that comes with it for filter and stuff. Also I put this tank together and added fish (which i think they are.. red zebra cichlid, and 2 yellow labs, and a jeweled cichlid i think. I dunno names for them i think its african. Well then later i put in 3 more fish (i dunno the names of them but few pics ive seen and names people called em are a blue Mbuna strips down side head towards tail with it on top fin, also got black something some wat same but very dark, and i think i got another small red zebra. well i added those after waiting some time. Then recently i added 1 more fish i thought it was a kyni or something its yellow black strip kinda fish like a bee . Its small too and two frogs. Well i added them all in some weeks. Also i dont have test strips and i had to pay big fine so i havnt had money to buy test strips. So i dunno the water numbers. Anyways Heres my problem. i did research on why there acting weird. I never seen this, so i dunno. But anyways i ve been watching my fish and after i added the last fish which is the yellow bee fish think its kanyi or something is when the symptoms i seen kicked in but i dunno. I dont truly watch the tank all day and night. But anyways i thought i might have ich... because the it said that they rub on stuff like decos, fake plants, and walls, and also has white spots! Well my fish does everything except the white spots.. And i turned up heat to 78 to try to get the spots to pop up quicker if it was ich like ive read but i still see nothing for spots. So therefor i dunno if its itch but also the fish do seem to go towards the filter and stay under it latly which is unusual for them. So then i also looked around for this "flashing" i seen in the tank as well and it said that it could be parasites of some sort.. now i dunno wat it is nor do i know where to look for. Because ich didnt say that they hit the wall and jump to top of the tank like there crazy and also there breathing heavy. So i didnt wanna get ich medicine and also some sort of medicine for flashing and do it at once.. because i dunno wat it is and i dont wanna try alot of meds in which everything could just be 1 thing.. but also i seen where it could be normal of the flashing and the rubbing and hitting the walls and staying under the filter was said that it was normal from some other people saying it was aggresion towards other fish showing there territories. But anyways heres diff i see in fish. They use to sit at bottom and be normal and bright. And they did chase once in while. Now there alot of times at top like oxygen is out and there at top chillin alot. And some fish go and hide under filter all day and nite which is totally diff. And also the flashing like a spaz and rubbing on decos and hitting wall with head and jumpin to top.. SO all those things are symptoms but no white spots... so any help would be great ty and sorry for the big paragraph iam new

miker

All the signs point to the lack of nitrogen cycle and poor water quality. Read more about them here:
http://www.fishlore.com/NitrogenCycle.htm
http://www.fishlore.com/Disease_Main.htm

Start with waterchanges - 20% every other day until symptoms disappear. After that, water changes 20% twice a week for this tank.

(In the near future, you have to move all the fish into a bigger tank 55gal as they need more space and hiding places - aggressive fish)

Good Luck.

capekate

Hello, I agree with Miker
It also sounds like ammonia problems of an uncycled tank. Your post was detailed but no mention of your water change routine. I would start a water change asap! You really need to test the water to see what is going on. You also should not waste your money on the inaccurate test strips and go for the real deal, a liquid test kit, API is the best.
Welcome to Fishlore btw...

~ kate

Lucy

Hi Silas, Welcome to FishLore
Until you can get an API Master test kit, your fish store should be happy to do a water test for you. Have them write the results down for you. These numbers will help the wonderful people here to help you get a handle on your tank.
I don't understand your aquarium info....
Age: I just took it down? Where are your fish?
Livestock: None?
Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrate: All 12?
Temp: 23 F?......Is this is a typo and you mean C?

(A couple of my own newbie questions here....protein skimmer and live rock....I thought they were for salt water tanks?)

Good luck with your fishies.

lalynya

Hmmmm...Once again it does sound like a cycle problem....I do beleive that adding bacteria such as bio-spira even at this point should help a little bit. also If it is a disease or multiple diseases you wouldnt want to treat for more then one at a time because of conflicting contraidications of each type of med so if you do start to see signs of various disease treat for one at a time..please put the money into getting a master test kit not just strips..You NEED a bigger tank for the type of fish you have. Even if the cycle does complete you will have to do freaquent water changes due to the fact that you are over stocked which means you will have higher amon levels from the fish biproducts also..(My tank is slightly overstocked I did the same noobie mistake as well) also,It seems to me you are just buying random fish..you need to be specific..different fish require different conditions..or eat eachother...either way=not healthy..If any of this info is incorect any one else please feel free to corect me..which I know you would anyway lol

silas313

Now this is long but its all my info I am posting then reading your guyest replys afterwards. But for help here is my info on everything. Sorry for it being SO big.

Tank- 29 gal standard walmart tank, heater(100watt cheap that keeps shutting off cause probably old)and a HOB aquatech filter. temp is 72-74 F it lowered over nite cause heater stop workin for while.

Deco's 4 fake plants, 2 tall trees, and log with few plants on it , and small building. Rocks are normal gravel rocks from store.

Here are few items i got today for **** of it. Any suggestions and weather or not there good as API kind is good help too i know its diff brand so is it same quality as in working? And suggestons help on filters heaters airstone(even tho i cant find 1 at store) , or lighting will help. But items i got are - Tetra whisper heater - 30-60 gal why is it able to go underwater? cant the top function twist thingy get wet inside and stop working?
- Air pump with hoses to go under water(is this good to make oxygen in water? i was just planning on setting em on side of tank to make bubbles. (30-60 gal)

Next are meds or chemicals are these all good and do they work as good as API kind? and when should i added em and how.
- Jungle brand test kit for PH, nitrates, nitrites, hardness, and alkality (quick drips on these in tube)
- Jungle brand test kit for amonia same thing quick drip.

I bought these just to have and are they good and work? And i use em as fish are in tank or before i put em in while iam cycling my new tank.
- Tetra algae control
- Tetra aqua - aqua safe does this take chlorene out of tap water? or no
-Tetra easy balance
- API stress coat - does this take chlorene out of tap water?
- Melafix drip-
- AP crystal clear
- Spyon hose i read how to use it. But adding water back into tank it says it helps take out chloren is that true or should i just keep using 5 gal bucket and use some sort of chemical to take chloren out with .

Now iam using jungle brand test drip strips.

These strips are gay and says go by color and get as close as you can but i dont get how to use em so can you explain.

For my amonia kit it says ... 0 ideal .5 stress .25 safe 3.0 harmful 6.0 pretty bad
well harmful is color light green and 6.0 was dark green but it was sorta in middle so how i get to figure number out? I thought there be numbers lol but anyways how i use em ) my color was in middle of bad and harmful.

Now for my jungle kit of everything else it same way just colors but it dont say darker the color worst or better or the lighter the color is the higher or lower it is... is just says compare and my colors are diff from the ones on answer sheet. anyways here lil description and u help tell me results number wise or watever .

Answer color on tube to compare too Says this pmm thing Color i got on that square
Pink Nitrite below 40pmm Big Red
Light tan Nitrates .5pmm or below Little Tan diff tan tho...
Darker brown Hardness 50 - 15pmm More stand out bright B but still dark brown
Light orange- Alkalinity 120pmm-300pmm dark green/bluish
dark bright orange - PH 6.8 7.2 Bright red big red

How the **** i compare colors? To the chart and the pmm it only gives me those options. iam confused;(

Luckly i get some responses from you guys on info on this and compare it to wat is happening

Also for my fish i have 2 red zebra 1 1'' and one 2'' 2 yellow labs 2'' each 1.5 '' jewled
2 small 1'' fish undefined i 1 is black with stripes from head to tail and other is bluish with stripes like a bee (vertical) and redish fins and i also got yellow bee lookin black strip guy think its keyni of some sort or something and i also seen mmbuna someone told me on those two others.

silas313

any suggestions i wanna take some water how tonite estimate amount? add filter maybe? also stress coat and metafix to add tonite as well? or wat i dunno help with suggestions! tyIs this Ammonia good to do the cycling. I did the "shake and bubble=no* But also i dunno the incrediates weather or not its good to use. Says. Clear ammonia as title its from walmart. Ot says incredients ammonium hydroxide and surfactant. also another thing is i did 1/3 water change and cleaned filter and sucked up some junk and added some melafix for a tore fin on a yellow lab. how do i go apon adding this medcine take out the filter then add medcine then re add filter hour later or wat? cause i hear ur not suppose to have carbon in or its useless plz advice