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March 20th, 2008
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| | Fish Bum
| Help Me Plz!!! Save My Angel Fish "diego"
My Angel Fish hasn't been acting normal for 2 weeks now. I've tried everything that I know. I checked my ammonia levels 0ppm, nitrite levels 0ppm, nitrate levels between 10 & 6 but my pH level is @ 8. he has labored breathing and at one point in time was swimming vertically. He is staying in a corner and not swimming around and often staying just below the waters surface. I noticed very faint spots on his tail where his body ends but i swear it's his body design; However I'm treating my whole tank for ick as i speak. now I noticed some red at the end of his tail, please help me save my lil buddy. I don't know what to do | 
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March 20th, 2008
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| Hello and welcome to fishlore
Sorry to hear about your angel fish. Your water seems fine, so that cant be it. When did you last test water tho? I see that you just started up that tank again after 2.5 weeks, maybe going through a mini cycle? Im wondering, if its possible that your angel is being bothered by some of the other fish in your tank? Can be why he is staying in the corner...   ~ kate | |
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March 20th, 2008
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| | Fish Bum
| I checked my levels yesterday
All levels read what I posted. | |
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March 20th, 2008
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| .. ok thats good... and your angel fish is not being bothered by any of the other fish as far as you can tell? ~ kate | |
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March 20th, 2008
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| | Fish Bum
| Yeah
As far as I can tell. I Have 2 Angels, 1 bala shark, 2 neon tetras, 2 red eye tetras, 2 algae eaters, 2 strawberry skirts, 2 gouramis and a gold sevrum "baby" I havent noticed any compatibility problems yet =0). | |
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March 20th, 2008
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| | Master Of Fish Poo!
| Welcome to Fishlore.
Do you have a pic of him? It doesn't sound like ICH and you can treat ich just by raising the tank temp to 82-84 and keeping it there for 2 weeks with 25-40% water changes every other day and substrate cleaning weekly. Check the ich meds for malachite green or victoria green. If it has that, i'd put carbon in the filter for a day after a 50% water change.
He sounds like he could be dealing with parasites. | |
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March 20th, 2008
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| | Fish Helper
| This is definetly because the P.H is too high. Angelfish prefer p.h of about 6.8 to 7.0. I would get some Sodium Monophosphate or some discus buffer to lower it.;:barAlso do some partial water changes to lower it. Get well soon.  | |
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March 20th, 2008
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| | Master Of Fish Poo!
| Our angel is doing fine at 7.6 - it's really best to not play with the pH. Changing pH is more harmful than high pH. | |
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March 20th, 2008
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| | Fish Helper
| What he discuses in the passsage are all symptoms of high p.h. and if he does not change it the angelfish will die.Your angelfish are not affected by it because they have probably accumulated to it over a period of time, his tank is brand new. Lowering the p.h little by little will not harm it, it will only benifit. | |
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March 21st, 2008
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| thank u
How do i show u a pic FISH KING? I'm going to do a partial water change now and add some ph lowerer. Is the red on the tail because of this too? Please let me know. So should I stop the Ick treatment? It doesnt have the m. blue but has victoria green & acriflavine. | |
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March 21st, 2008
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| | Master Of Fish Poo!
| When you make a post, look for a button below the message box that says "Manage Attachments" - that will open a window for you to upload your pics.
I'd run carbon in your filter for a few hours to get that victoria green out. | |
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March 21st, 2008
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| | Fish Mentor
| I agree with Dave. This sounds like internal parasites. | |
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March 21st, 2008
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| | Fish Addict
| i too, would try to avoid messing with the Ph... it's unnecessary, imo. | |
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March 22nd, 2008
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| | Fish Bum
| thank u all... diego passed away today at 11 am. I tried everything and could not save him. I buried him in my backard and said my arewells. I've been reading on all factors of fish keeping from water to all types of diseases and believe he passed from ALKALOSIS.
I have another angel thats about 4" tall and am noticing red down his back does anyone know what this is its outlining his body and im worried about him now!!!!!!!!!!!! | |
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March 22nd, 2008
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| | Master Of Fish Poo!
|  We're sorry you lost Diego. 
Do you have a pic of the other angel? | |
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March 22nd, 2008
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| | Fish Bum
| Sum1 Help Plz!!!!!!
I Lost The Battle With Whatever Was Effecting My Angel Fish "diego" Today. He Had Laboured Breathing, Red Gills, Stayed Below Waters Surface And Swam Vertically. I Tried Eveything Often Staying Up Til 2-3 Am Reading Up On Water Quality To Diseases. I Think He Passed From Alkalosis Though. My Problem Now Is I Have Another As Well And She Has A Bright Red Outline Around Her Body. At One Point In Time I Noticed The Same On Diego In The Earlier Stages. Does Ne One Know What This Is. Plz Help Me. It Hurt Losing My Buddy Diego And I Dont Want To Lose Lucky. Also His Stripes Were Faded Yesterday And Are Darker Today After Water Change Lastnite. How Come? My Water Levels Are Ammonia 0ppm, Nitrites 0ppm, Nitrates Between 6-10 But My Ph Is At 8.0. I Live In A Town With Hard Water And High Ph Levels Straight From Tap Is 8.0. I Started A Water Pillow Today Readying It For Lowering The Ph Level On Sunday. Am I Doing This Right Plz Help I Dont Want To Lose Lucky Too!!! Ill Try And Add His Pic Of Red Outline. Thank You
NOTICE RED TOWARDS HER TOP BACK... | |
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March 22nd, 2008
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| Yes I Just Posted It Under Angel Fish Here Ill Post It On This One Too...
NOTICE RED ON TOP OF BACK | |
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March 22nd, 2008
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| Pic Of Diego... R.i.p. Buddy
My Buddy... | |
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March 22nd, 2008
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| Angels can handle the ph your water is at without any problem but adjusting the ph causes it to fluctuate (It goes down when you add the adjustor and up when it's time to change it). Fluctuations in ph, temp and water quality are very stress full and stress can bring on disease. The stripes fading in and out is a symptom of stress. do you have another tank you could put the angel in for a bit of rest?
There is quite a mixture of fish in your tank and some of them can be a bit aggressive especially if one fish isn't feeling well.
I would suggest raising the temp up to 80F and doing every other day 25% water changes. If you could put him in another tank for a bit of a rest it would be really beneficial.
In your profile it says the tank has been up 2 1/2 weeks but running 2 yrs. how long between when the old fish left (what happened) and the new were put in ?
I know thats a lot of questions but it will help us help you. Thanks
Carol
Let us know how he does. | 
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March 22nd, 2008
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| | Fish Keeper
| OK, Carol is right about making any sudden changes to your water chemestry. No fish likes change too fast. But having said that, your angel is an Amazon fish, and they prefer very soft water, slightly acidic (pH 6.0-6.8).
As for the red outline, I've seen this before on my angels. I'm not sure what it's called, but you can see sort of a red bloody outline along the body where the fins connect and along the edges of the fins, right?
OK, again I don't know what it's called, but I found on the back of API's Pimafix that these symptoms are listed. Quote: "Reddening of fins and body". So I tried it and it semed to work. 1 still died, but the rest recovered.
Oh, FYI: Pimafix treats fungal infections, so at least in my case that's what it must have been.
Lastly, I live in Florida, where the water is so hard you can pave a driveway with it. And the Chlormines here are so rediculous it should have a haz-mat sign on it. So what I did was go to the local supermart (in my case Publix) and buy 1 of every type of bottled water (in gallons) they had and went home and tested them all for hardness, pH, chlorine, ammonia, etc. Turns out plain Publix purified water was perfect, and now when I do water changes I go buy 8 gallons. Its worth the $5.00 in the long run, and I've never had problems sinse I switched from tap water.
Last edited by Jim; March 22nd, 2008 at 07:50 AM.
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March 22nd, 2008
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|  I'm sorry to hear your lost him. | |
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March 22nd, 2008
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| | Master Of Fish Poo!
| From what I can tell, it could be parasites or bacterial infection, possibly bacterial septicemia. Does he show any symptoms in diet, activity level, clear/white poo, etc?
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March 22nd, 2008
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| grneyez808 I merged your two threads since your discussing the disease of the same fish so all your information will be in one place. Hope you don't mind.
Carol | |
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March 22nd, 2008
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| Thank you all, I definately dont mind you merging the two infact thank u. As far as my angel goes, she is active and eating very well. Nothing out of the ordinary just the red outline. I had 4 XL goldfish, KOI, PARROT CICHLID ALLFISH THAT I DIDNT CARE FOR. I BOUGHT THEM AS PART OF THE DEAL WHEN I BOUGHT MY 75 GAL. TANK AND STAND FOR $75.00. I GAVE THEM ALL TO MY LOCAL PET STORE SO I COULD START THE TANK WITH THE FISH THAT I LOVE. THATS WHAT HAPPENED AFTER 2 YEARS. MY TANK TEMP IS BETWEEN 78 & 80 NOW THAT IS THE AVERAGE OF THE TANK. ILL LOOK INTO THE PIMA FIX. | |
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March 22nd, 2008
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| | Fish Mentor
| Goodluck, hope it's nothing wrong with this one. | |
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March 22nd, 2008
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| If it was alkalosis it had to do with its blood p.h being to high because of the water. Did you try what I told you to do? | |
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March 22nd, 2008
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Originally Posted by FishKing  If it was alkalosis it had to do with its blood p.h being to high because of the water. Did you try what I told you to do? | I have kept and bred Angels at 7.8 and know others who have bred them at 8.0 so I don't really think it's the PH. Wild caught angels would definitely have to have a lower PH but most angels are tank bred and able to adjust. If they are locally bred then they are already acclimated to the high Ph.
Was wondering if the Nitrates were high.
What color is your fish usually?
Carol | |
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March 23rd, 2008
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| Quote:
Originally Posted by Butterfly I have kept and bred Angels at 7.8 and know others who have bred them at 8.0 so I don't really think it's the PH. Wild caught angels would definitely have to have a lower PH but most angels are tank bred and able to adjust. If they are locally bred then they are already acclimated to the high Ph.
Was wondering if the Nitrates were high.
What color is your fish usually?
Carol | He looked pink, almost albino in the pic... that would make him probably extra sensative to start with, wouldn't it? | |
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March 23rd, 2008
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Originally Posted by Jim He looked pink, almost albino in the pic... that would make him probably extra sensative to start with, wouldn't it? | Couldn't really tell much from the pic. He said the stripes had faded so don't know about that either. Really it would be nice to know about the water he came from. Don't think color would affect sensitivity very much . Still sounds like a water quality issue to me. I have seen my sunset blushers react just this way to high nitrates.
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March 23rd, 2008
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| my water quality is ammonia 0ppm/ nitrites 0ppm/ nitrates are between 6 & 10 and ph is 8.0. I use API MASTER test kit FOR MEASURING MY LEVELS. | |
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