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December 17th, 2007
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| | Fish Lore Newbie
| whats wrong with my fish?
i noticed this fancy swordtails lips started to swell yesterday
shes in a 2 week old tank and since i was too impatient i had bought fish to put in there straight away.. they all died.. i got her a week after i first set it up and she gave birth to 14 fry that night
shes been acting fine the whole time ive had her, her lips have just got something wrong with them
please help =[ | 
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December 17th, 2007
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| | Fish Keeper
| Hi Moo, with you saying you were impatient questions!!??
DID YOU CYCLE THE TANK FIRST?
DO YOU HAVE A TESTING KIT? for the water? so that you know the water chemistry? It is VERY important!!
Your poor little girl may have ammonia poisoning and after 'giving birth' she will be vulnerable. | |
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December 17th, 2007
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| | Fish Mentor
|  Welcome to fishlore Moo.
What is the size of your tank? What kind of filter, heater, etc?
You said you put fish in as soon as you set it up, but what killed the first fish? They wouldn't have died from an uncycled tank, that usually takes a couple of weeks for the tank water to get lethal, depending on the # of fish you had.
NOW - she looks to have cottonmouth. Look that up under fish diseases here on fishlore, and you should be able to find meds that would work.......But the problem once again revolves back to water that's toxic, an un cycled tank, and what to do about it...She wouldn't be stressed out and get sick if your tank was cycled.
Do you have an API Master test kit? If not get one. In the mean time start water changes every day 25 - 50 % every day till it is fully cycled. The ammonia and nitrite have to be 0 and the nitrate 5 to no higher than 10. When the conditions are as stated, the cycle has finished, and all you have to do is a 25% water change once a week, with gravel vacuuming. Be sure to treat the water to take out chlorine if your water has it in, and check that the water going into the tank is the same temperature.
It is hard to medicate and do water changes, but do the best you can. Water changes alone often help the fish clear up other stress related problems. | |
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December 17th, 2007
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| | Fish Keeper
| Quote:
Originally Posted by susitna-flower  Welcome to fishlore Moo.
What is the size of your tank? What kind of filter, heater, etc?
You said you put fish in as soon as you set it up, but what killed the first fish? They wouldn't have died from an uncycled tank, that usually takes a couple of weeks for the tank water to get lethal, depending on the # of fish you had.
NOW - she looks to have cottonmouth. Look that up under fish diseases here on fishlore, and you should be able to find meds that would work.......But the problem once again revolves back to water that's toxic, an un cycled tank, and what to do about it...She wouldn't be stressed out and get sick if your tank was cycled.
Do you have an API Master test kit? If not get one. In the mean time start water changes every day 25 - 50 % every day till it is fully cycled. The ammonia and nitrite have to be 0 and the nitrate 5 to no higher than 10. When the conditions are as stated, the cycle has finished, and all you have to do is a 25% water change once a week, with gravel vacuuming. Be sure to treat the water to take out chlorine if your water has it in, and check that the water going into the tank is the same temperature.
It is hard to medicate and do water changes, but do the best you can. Water changes alone often help the fish clear up other stress related problems. |
ahh lol i was just going to say that then i checked the disease to confirm what i was going to say and i come back and you did it allready.i hate it when that happens | |
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December 17th, 2007
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| | Fish Lore Newbie
| i dont know if the tank has cycled yet
i had never needed to do that before, my fish always survived [that couldve been just luck i guess] and plus i never knew about it
once i found out about cycling i started changing about 10% of the water each day
its a 20 gallon tank and i had 3 baby angels in there before i bought her and a male swordtail
the filter is external and has compartments with a sponge, activated carbon and ammonia remover
the heater is set at 28 degrees
ill treat her for cottonmouth, should i do a water change beforehand? how much should i change?
thank you guys for all your help | |
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December 17th, 2007
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| | Fish Keeper
| img guessing th 28 degrees is a mistake .or i hope it is..they angels will need a bigger tank eventualy they get very large and. you should only do a water change once a weak. | |
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December 17th, 2007
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| | Fish Lore Newbie
| oh sorry it was in celcius lol
the heater is at 82
yeah im buying a 5 foot tank soon and was planning to put the angels in there, ive had full grown breeding angels before | |
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December 17th, 2007
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| | Fish Keeper
| In order to treat for cottonmouth (or any disease), you should first remove any carbon from your filter, as carbon removes most meds from the water. Most meds have instructions on whether to do a water change while treating or after treating, so you should follow the instructions on whatever medication you use.
As for which med to use, there are a number of choices, most of which any decent LFS (including PetSmart and PetCo) should carry. Since cottonmouth is a fungal disease, you want an anti-fungus medicine like Melafix, Rid-Fungus, Fungus Cure, or Lifeguard. | |
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December 17th, 2007
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| | Fish Lore Newbie
| alright sweet, ive got antifungal/antibacterial medication
i knew the thing about the carbon, im not a complete idiot =p
its jus diseases arent really my thing right now.. ill learn one day
thanks everone for all your help
i really apprieciate it
=] | |
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December 17th, 2007
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| | Fish Keeper
| Didn't think you were an idiot -- it's just a common mistake we've all made, so it never hurts to repeat it. Besides, the info is now there for any lurkers with a similar problem who don't post, but are reading this tread.  | |
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December 17th, 2007
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| | Fish Lore Newbie
| yep its all good matey =] | |
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December 18th, 2007
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| | Master Of Fish Poo!
| Good luck with treating her. 
I actually only run A/C in the filter for a few hours if I need to clear meds out of the water, there's not really a reason to have it in otherwise. I lost my favorite betta in August because I forgot to remove the A/C and at the time always ran filters with the A/C in it. | |
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December 18th, 2007
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| | Fish Keeper
| Quote:
Originally Posted by Moo alright sweet, ive got antifungal/antibacterial medication
i knew the thing about the carbon, im not a complete idiot =p
its jus diseases arent really my thing right now.. ill learn one day
thanks everone for all your help
i really apprieciate it
=] |
same here..somthings things im very good with..somethings iknow basics. like i know some diseases but not as much as far as treatments go.. | |
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December 18th, 2007
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| | Fish Keeper
| its mouth fungus. I had trouble with that with my first swords. | |
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