lili70

Please, I need your help.
Last addition to 20 G tank was a glass cat fish which I quarantined but ...
The water is 0 amonia, 0 nitrites, 10 nitrates, 8 pH and water changes twice/week. Everybody else is fine but my 2 little gourami girls. The big gourami girl is still fine.
They have a very fungus looking white stuff on dorsal fin, some minor damage like rot too and one on the body. The size is like 0.5 mm diameter and sticking out a little.
My guess is Columnaris because the water is too clean to be fungus. The tank has 2 months and was cycled in a week with Stability and media, plants and decoration from other tanks.
I quarantined them with Maracyn Plus and Anti Fungus. Breathing heavily because they hated the change but eating and active.
What is it ?
Thank you in advance.
There are pictures ....







L
PS: I also treated the big tank with Maracyn Plus just to be safe. I have my neons for such a long time .... I don't want to lose them
The glass catfish are in another quarantine tank with Triple Sulfa .... I don't think they can take Maracyn Plus ... too strong. I used half dosage for neons too.

Dino

Looks like an injury rather than columnaris.

Continue the already underway treatment.

lili70

Thank you. I got it right with the treatment, thank God.
There is no agression in the tank. There was a little fuss between gouramis girls at the beginning ..... but now they are OK with each other.
The fishes in the tank:
- 3 yo-yos
- 8 neons
- 3 otto
- 2 baby girls GBR
and the gourami girls.

lili70

It is day 3 Maracyn Plus (treatment is 1-3-5) and the fishes got worse. More patches of whitish stuff one on a fin and another one on body. I also continued the Anti fungus. Still eating a lot of blood worms and the poo is redish-brown but stringy not thick. Active but still breathing fast.
In the big tank everybody is still fine.

Well, keeping 2 quarantine tanks running was a good idea !
Thank you for support and a special thank you for my friends from betta section (PM).
L

COBettaCouple

Don't be discouraged. It's common for them to look a little worse before the meds really get into their system.

lili70

Update: the fluffy white thing on the body felt down and it's a red sore instead. Another one white thing showed up on her body. The other gourami is stable. Both have the whitish things on dorsal fin.
Still eating like pigs and active. Pooing a lot, good color but still stringy.
L

COBettaCouple

Realy sounds like ulcers.. do you have a pic you could post?

lili70

The gouramis are almost giving up. I am telling you there is no injury
The white fluffy stuff spreaded like fire on the head now, dorsal fin and some on sides. In 2 places the white stuff felt off and there is a red sore in that place.
Under Maracyn Plus and Antifungus I assume, as a beginner that it's NOT fungal and spreading like measle makes me think it's a strong bacterial infection.
I finished the Maracyn Plus 5 days and for sure it's not working. Fish or not if the disease it's getting worse than I got the wrong antibiotic.
So, I started Furanase which will probably either cure or kill their kidneys but at this point one is not eating and both breathing heavily so ... there is not much time left.
I don't think I'll save them and I am very tired of trying so hard to keep the tank, the water, the plants, the frozen food .... by the book and still ending up with dead fishes.
I'll shut the tanks down one by one after the fishes will die, I hope at least some of old age. I don't know enough and maybe I don't have the talent for it or ... whatever ..... at least I should DO NO HARM by buying fishes.
Thank you all so much for support and this forum it's a really good place to be in.
Bye,
Lili
PS: A good news: after months of endless medications I saw today that my old betta male Cleo has finally a regrowth on his tail. Well, it took me about 4 months and 10 gal tank just for him to make it better.

COBettaCouple

I'm sorry to hear they're doing worse. I'm not sure without a new pic, but it sounds like ulcers, which would support columnaris. I hope they respond to this stronger antibiotic.

0morrokh

Sorry about Gouramis, and I know how frustrating sick fish can be. Don't give up on them yet though. And try not to blame yourself either...sometimes fish just get sick and there's nothing you can do about it. A lot of the time it has to do with poor quality stock the fish store gets.

One question about the Gouramis, are either of them bloating at all?

lili70

Read about Columnaris:
http://article.discusnews.com/cat-02/columnaries.shtml
At the end of article I found that one of the antibiotics that are appropriate for it's Kanamycin which I have in form of Kanaplex. I added that too but for one of the baby girls it is too late.