Leokiss

Hi,all i'm new to this site but been reading all the info for a while and its all been extremely helpful.But now im stuck,1 of my danios cant close his mouth,isn't active at all stays at the surface looks like he's on his way out. cant find anything anywhere that refers to a constant open mouth? All help would me much appreciated. Oh and all water chem is normal

Leokiss

i don't think dyeing is the cause.

COBettaCouple

welcome to fishlore! i wish it was under better circumstances.. is he eating? did this suddenly start and were there any other symptoms? do you have a picture you could post? what fish meds do you have now? do his gills look red or purple? are you testing with strips or using liquids to test the water?

if he's not eating, something soft like daphnia dropped close to his mouth may be accepted.. or liquid vitamins or garlic suppliments could help at least get some nutrients into him.

Leokiss

Hi again,unfortunatly he's dead.But with a closer look at the body i dont think his mouth was constantly open part of the jaw had gone? These are my first fish i beleve i've done everything correct with cycling and such(tank cycled before adding fish.) I test with liquid,and i didn't notice any symtoms but i'm still a little green to everything. Only had them 5 days. Today i've noticed one of the others is slightly inactive and wasn't to interested in food and the jaw is slightly open with a white tip on the end? I'm getting the sinking feeling they are all going to go the same way. Some form of parasite?

COBettaCouple

we're sorry you lost him.. i've heard of this happening before with a fish losing part of the mouth. it could be a mouth fungus and some anti-fungal treatment could help the others if it is.

Leokiss

None died today,but the one with the white dot on its jaw has started to isolate itself and is agressive towards others? started treatment with waterlifes antifungal.I've read about fish tryin to scratch themselves all mine have started doin it now or is this normal behavior. They all seem quite agressive now they dont really stay together anymore. I probably need more of them i have 4 danios in a 240l planted tank. Not really the best time 2 add more fish with all these diseases floating round! I feel like i might be gettin paranoid aswell im constantly monitoring them i keep noticing stuff ive not seen before,or have i!!!

COBettaCouple

Hopefully the anti-fungal meds will help them out soon and you'll see those symptoms fade away.

Leokiss

Its happend again! Today i had to put 1 out of its misery its bottom jaw gone. I've been monitering them closely and i didn't see this coming i was still treating with antifungal so it ain't mouth fungus. One has had a white spot on its jaw which is still there since first death but seems perfectly healthy. I woke about a week ago and the leopard danio had a bloody mouth looking closely it looked like a cut or a bite. I put it down to fighting the others did seem quite aggresive towards him. Over the next few days the blood/redness round its mouth started to clear although his behaviour showed it was still under the weather. Then this morn i noticed he was struggling with balance,his back end kept sort of rising. I had to go to work.When back home balance same ,rapid breathing,darting sort of randomly around tank for no apparent reason and bottom jaw missing. What is it Is it contagious? Ive looked all over net for these symtoms cant find owt. Anyone any ideas?

COBettaCouple

this is a tough one.. does this description fit what you've seen maybe? I wonder since it mentions tissue on the head eaten away, is very contagious and resembles a fungus. If this matches, you may want to go with Triple Sulfa or even Kanaplex or Furan-2 for the antibiotic, i wouldn't bother with the weaker ones on this.

Columnaris (Cotton Wool Disease)
Grayish-white film on skin, damaged fins, ulcers, yellow to gray patches on gills, tissue on head may be eaten away.

Must be treated immediately with Over-the-counter antibiotic medications. Very contagious – disinfect tank, rocks, net, etc.

Leokiss

Mmm them symntoms dont really fit,the ones that died seemed fine with rest of body pretty good actually. The ones that are left seem a picture of health except one with white dot on its jaw but that appears superficial.If it what ever it is,is contagious it must be a slow spreader.I think im gunna stop with medication and watch them closely as the ones left dont have any symntoms to decide what to treat them with.Do you think maybe one of the other fish caused the initial damage then that injury became infected? I guess time will tell.

timg

This same thing happened to me some months ago. I had white cloud mountain minnows in with danios at the time. Half the minnows died exaxctly as you have descibed, but all the danios were fine.

Iput it down to aggression between the fish, as the danios were continually harrassing the minnoes. You say that the danios are aggressive towards each other, and that sort of fits the pattern. There was no sign of any disease in the fish, but the jaw locked open just the same, the fish couldn't eat and so starved to death.

Once I separated them, the problem disappeared. IMO it sounds like your danios are fighting together and this is causing the injury to the jaw, either through physical contact or stress.

If this is the case, I don't have any solution for you really, just wait and see if they settle down eventually.

0morrokh

I have admittedly never heard of anything like this before. On a hunch I might treat with a strong anti-bacterial medication. It seems odd to me that fighting should cause the exact same jaw injury in many fish, all at around the same time. Sounds more like a congagious disease to me. But, as I said I really don't know about this one...

timg

Here's the thread I started when it happened to me: http://www.fishlore.com/fishforum/fr...-lock-jaw.html

I had forgotten that we completely stripped and cleaned the tank for this one! There was evidence of fungal invasion then, so my previous comments are incorrect.

Leokiss

Cheers for replys,was look at tinandkarens thread from earlier this year i have some things similar,but not all .Of the dead fish tissue had been eaten from jaw and bone missing too on 1. Theres definatly summat in there? wierd how its only 1 fish at a time?? Any form of disease,parasite,bacteria that dont spread just stays singular and moves from 1 body to another?just a thought.2 females and a male left,male acting odd today,staying alone not eating. Physically looks fine but prior this fish was most active and aggresive eater of the bunch if anything the bully of the group so am i back to square 1 as if he's under the weather it kinda rules out in-fighting? Well i,ve tried antifungal to no avail my go with anti-bacteria to see what happens

Leokiss

Arrgh! another one dead.This developed the same symntoms as last one that died but the bloody looking area was one of the gills and slightly underneath.Im convinced its some form of bacterial infection now,which im assuming are contagious(rather than it been something im doing wrong).So does anyone recomend any antibacterial meds or something to treat these kind of symntoms?Oh and ones i can find in UK as most i see recomended are probs only available across the atlantic,Cheers.

COBettaCouple

we're sorry to hear you lost another one..

what are your current ammonia, nitrites and nitrates readings?

Interpet #8 or #9 may help them, but i'm not sure. it's hard to be sure and as the one observing them, you're best qualified to make the call on what it seems more like.