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Old February 15th, 2010  
Fish Lore Newbie
 
Bacteria supplements, yes or no?

I am new to this forum and new to having an aquarium. I have a 5 gallon Topfin aquarium with Whisper filter. I have had it two weeks now. Of course, I do things backwards and yes, I have read the forum AFTER I set it up and added fish. I am doing daily water changes 25% or more and adding prime to the water to detoxify the ammonia. I test the water every day before I do a water change. I have 4 platies and 1 pleco in the tank. They seem to do well except I think one platy may be suffering from ammonia poisoning. He's doing better since I started adding prime.

The water parameters are:
Ammonia 4.0
nitrite 0.0
nitrate 0.0
pH 8.0
KH 240
GH 0

From the numbers I am guessing that the tank has not started cycling. We have soft water because we have well water that is filtered out for various things.

I have two questions: When changing the water, do I only add the amount of prime for the new water or do I add for the complete tank size?

Second question: Are bacteria supplements helpful when going through the initial cycling phase, only for a cycled tank, or not worth adding at all?

I am feeding the tropical color enhanced fish flakes interchanged with small freeze dried medley, plus algae discs for the pleco. I have also given them peas and the platies and pleco love them. I am careful not to over feed them.
Thank you.

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Old February 15th, 2010  
Fish Keeper
 
Welcome to Fishlore!

Tetra Safe start (TSS) is the only bacterial supplement you might consider. If used according to the instruction many members report VERY fast cycling. (No prime with Tss)
All of the others are a waste of money and not needed. I have a shelf with uneeded chemicals I just cant throw out but I wouldn't give them to anyone either. LOL
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Old February 15th, 2010  
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Welcome to Fishlore! Great advice from Nate.
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Old February 15th, 2010  
Fish Lore Newbie
 
I will pick up some TSS today. I am assuming the prime will no longer be active in the tank water after 24 hours? Then I should start using the TSS when I do the next water change (I already did the change today). When using the TSS, will the Ammonia be detoxified or will the fish still be affected by the ammonia level?
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Old February 15th, 2010  
Fish Keeper
 
Welcome to Fishlore! Don't feel bad, most of us who come to this forum started off the same way you did. I'm glad you found the nitrogen cycle page and are willing to do what is necessary to help your fishies get through the cycle as safely as possible. Daily water changes are essential when cycling with fish to help protect them from the toxic ammonia and nitrites they will be exposed to during the process. I would recommend upping your water changes to about 50% daily and keep up with the Prime. May I ask what test kit you are using? I ask because test strips are known for being highly inaccurate and a liquid test kit will give you more reliable information. Many of us on this forum use the API Master Test Kit which includes tests for ammonia, nitrites, nitrates and pH. It is not necessary to use this exact kit, but having a liquid test kit is highly recommended.

Prime is the #1 recommended water conditioner to have when it comes to cycling with fish since it's one of the few conditioners that will not only remove chlorine and chloramines, but will also detox the ammonia and nitrites for 24 hours between water changes. If you are adding the Prime to the new water BEFORE you add it to the tank then you only need to add enough for the new water. If you add the Prime AFTER you have added the new water to the tank then you need to dose for the entire tank. Since it is safe to add up to 5 times the recommended dosage of Prime I would recommend adding enough to dose the entire tank while you're cycling to ensure you've detoxed all the ammonia.

Nate was right on the money in saying that of all the bacteria supplements available today, TSS is the only one that will actually help a cycle. The rest are a waste of money and time and can prove to be very dangerous to your fish since they generally lead to your cycle crashing. TSS is very hard to find in stores and for the most part needs to be ordered online. If you wish to go that route be aware that TSS is designed to be added just before adding the fish. It can and has worked when being added after, but you will need to drop your ammonia levels to as close to 0 as possible otherwise the beneficial bacteria in TSS will be overwhelmed.

Another issue that you will run into is that your tank is overstocked. The platys might be okay, but plecos get too big for a 5 gallon. Depending on the species, it could get too big for anything smaller than a 50 gallon. They not only get huge, but they are also huge waste producers which makes it difficult for a small filter to manage. Even the smallest plecos need at least a 10 gallon, more likely a 20. I would recommend returning or rehoming him if you can't get a suitable tank for him. If you want something to clean up the bottom of the tank, perhaps ghost shrimp would be a better choice. They are small enough and are very low waste producers, much more suitable for a tank your size.

Good luck with your tank and please keep us posted on your progress. We also really love pictures!
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Old February 15th, 2010  
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Welcome to FishLore!!

If you decide to use Tetra SafeStart here's some info that should help:
Q & A With Tetra about Tetra SafeStart

Many products have similar names, so be careful what you buy.
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Old February 15th, 2010  
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Welcome to FishLore!

Prince Powder gave you some great information.

But I'm going to give you some advice that I'm sure you won't be happy with, but it really is good advice. I believe that the Platy's require a larger tank (as does the pleco). My best advice to you would be to return all of your fish and get a betta. A 5 gallon tank is the ideal size for a Betta.

If you really have your heart set on Platy's I would highly recommend that you get a larger tank. A 20 gallon would probably be a good choice.

Best of luck.
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Old February 15th, 2010  
Fish Lore Newbie
 
Thanks for all the good information. I think we will be getting a 20 gallon tank and move our fish family into a bigger space. In the meantime I will still work with getting the 5 gallon cycled until we get the bigger tank.
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Old February 15th, 2010  
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I'm glad you are going to upgrade! Remember, depending on the species of Pleco, you might still need to return or rehome him. A Common Plecostomus can get to be over 2 feet long and require HUGE tanks!!
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