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Old October 1st, 2009  
Fish Master
 
Fish in freshwater tank

Hi,
I am planning on getting 3 zebra danio, 3 longfin blue danio, and 5-7 black tetras for my 30-gallon freshwater nonplanted tank.

Can I add a black molly, a betta, or both? Will I have problems with fin-nipping or aggression?
Also, will different species of fish school together? And are the fish I a picking schooling fish?
Is this a good number of fish for the tank? Should a do a few more or less?

Thanks - this is so exciting, setting up a new tank!!
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Old October 1st, 2009  
Fish Master
 
Welcome to Fishlore!

the danios will school together and so will the tetras.
I wouldn't add the betta. You could add a black molly though, but be aware that they are HUGE waste producers.
The betta will probably be stressed in that tank with so many active fish, and they tend to do better on their own.
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Old October 1st, 2009  
Fish Master
 
Can you think of another pretty fish that will do well? Right now all my fish are going to be silver with a bit of black. I was hoping for something different.
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Old October 1st, 2009  
Moderator
 
Most bettas don't make good community fish and do better on their own in a 5g or maybe with a few cories or otos or a snail in a 10g.
Here's our Betta Care Guide

Tetras and danios can be fin nippers may find the bettas flowing fin too irresistible or the territorial betta might go after the community fish. Some one could get hurt or killed.

I'm not sure about the molly, someone else would have to answer that.

Good luck

Tony!
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Old October 1st, 2009  
Fish Master
 




Hmm... if you are looking into more colors, have you checked out neons and cardinals? they still school and bring lots of color!

you could also try different guppies. There are some really colorful guppies out there!
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Old October 2nd, 2009  
Fish Master
 
You could get a Dwarf Gourami. They are pretty colorful.
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Old October 2nd, 2009  
Fish Helper
 
Danios are pretty small and by comparison the Molly will be big. To add to that, Molly's like to be in groups. Being that you will already have 2 small schools in there, I would go with another smaller fish like guppies or endlers.

I have read that danios are one of the few fish that should be able to be kept in the same tank as a betta but I've never seen it done. If I find the website that mentioned that I will post a link here.
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Old October 2nd, 2009  
Fish Helper
 
Here's one website that suggest the possibility but it's not the one I've read before.

http://www.aquariumfish.net/catalog_...males_more.htm

and another

http://ezinearticles.com/?Danios---A...rist&id=445721

Last edited by omnitheforsaken; October 2nd, 2009 at 08:38 AM.
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Old October 2nd, 2009  
Fish Master
 
Thanks for all the helpful advice. I thought that danios couldn't be put in with guppies because danios are fin nippers.
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Old October 2nd, 2009  
Moderator
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by omnitheforsaken View Post
I have read that danios are one of the few fish that should be able to be kept in the same tank as a betta but I've never seen it done. If I find the website that mentioned that I will post a link here.
If you read through the forum, you'll find instances where danios have gone after Bettas.
IMO, it's not worth the life of a fish just because we want something.
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Old October 2nd, 2009  
Fish Keeper
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mommybaby295 View Post
Thanks for all the helpful advice. I thought that danios couldn't be put in with guppies because danios are fin nippers.
I have danios and guppies and they get along fine.
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Old October 2nd, 2009  
Fish Master
 
so confused, which fish go best together

I have a 30 gallon tank, and am really confused about which fish to get. The guy at my local fish store told me 6 danios, 5 tetras, and a molly would be fine together, but the advice you guys gave me is that the molly is a fish that likes other mollies, and isn't a good idea.

What about 6 danios and 6 male guppies? I thought I'd read that the danios will eat the guppies fins? I would like 3 varieties, but I'm concerned that if I get another type of schooling fish, 18-20 fish are too many for my 30 gallon tank? Or could I safely do 6 danios, 6 guppies, and 6 neon tetras?

I think I'm officially frustrated. I have been reading everything I can to be better prepared, but I think maybe I've been reading too much, since now I can't remember where I read what advice, and am left thoroughly confused by the conflicting advice I'm getting.

I would really like 3 varieties of fish, either 3 school (if that's not too many fish), or 2 schools and one or two slightly larger fish.

This forum and website is the best! Thanks for all your help.
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Old October 2nd, 2009  
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Quote:
Originally Posted by omnitheforsaken View Post
Here's one website that suggest the possibility but it's not the one I've read before.

http://www.aquariumfish.net/catalog_...males_more.htm

and another

http://ezinearticles.com/?Danios---A...rist&id=445721
That first link also says Male bettas do best in bowls.
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Old October 2nd, 2009  
Fish Master
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucy View Post
If you read through the forum, you'll find instances where danios have gone after Bettas.
IMO, it's not worth the life of a fish just because we want something.
Oh, I agree - that's why I'm asking these questions before I buy the fish!
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Old October 2nd, 2009  
Fish Master
 
mommybaby i have merged your posts....starting a new one on the same subject, will only confuse members about advice already given ...
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Old October 2nd, 2009  
Moderator
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mommybaby295 View Post
Oh, I agree - that's why I'm asking these questions before I buy the fish!
That's very smart! Many of us brought fish home before doing research, got home looked them up and said oh oh!

It's easy to go into a fish store and get confused with all the choices. Like a kid in acandy shop. lol
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Old October 2nd, 2009  
Fish Master
 
Okay, will this combination work?

6 danios, 6 black skirt tetras, and 3 male guppies?
Or do the guppies need to be in groups of 6 or more?
And are 15 fish a good number for the 30-gallon tank? I really want to avoid overstocking.
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Old October 2nd, 2009  
Fish Bum
 
Hi mommybaby295,

Take a look at this link. It might help you when deciding on what combination would work for you.

http://www.tropicalfishandaquariums.com/Compatibility/

They state to be on the conservative side and that there is no substitute for practical experience with compatibility, but at least this would give you a base to start.

You will see that it is pretty much in line with the expert advice you have already received in this thread.

Good luck!
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Old October 2nd, 2009  
Fish Master
 
As far as stocking goes, there is a general rule of thumb of 1" of adult size fish per gallon of water. This pertains to fish who's full grown size is under about 3". So for the type of fish you are interested in you would want no more that 30 inches.

Another thing to consider is what region of the tank the fish inhabit (i.e. top, middle or bottom). You can get away with a little overstocking if the fish inhabit different regions and you are willing to do more waterchanges. Remember, the more fish you have, the more ammonia that they create, which ultimately leads to more nitrates.
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Old October 2nd, 2009  
Fish Master
 
Okay, thanks everyone!!
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Old October 2nd, 2009  
Fish Master
 
Will longfin danios and glofish school together? I think I'm going to go with 3 glofish, 2 longfin danios, and 5 cherry barbs. That's 11 fish total, but I guess too few isn't a problem, just too many. The reason I'm planning on 5 cherry barbs is I read that if you keep an even number of them, they may pair off and become aggressive. Does anyone have experience with this?
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Old October 2nd, 2009  
Fish Master
 
Glofish and danios are the same fish, only the glofish have jelly fish DNA in their system which gives them the color. They will school together
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Old October 5th, 2009  
Fish Master
 
I just saw the prettiest albino cherry barbs at the LFS.
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Old October 5th, 2009  
Fish Master
 
albinos!?! i havent seen those! i wil check them out! they sound nice!
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Old October 5th, 2009  
Fish Master
 
they were even prettier than the cherries. they also had 2 endlers - those ar gorgeous!
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