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Old September 13th, 2009  
Fish Keeper
 
Barbs wont eat goldfish I dont think and neither will the shark unless you have bigger fish that you havent mentioned?
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Old September 17th, 2009  
Fish Bum
 
yeah i have a bigger fish... hes always hiding in the rocks so i dont know what type of fish it is. my friend just gave it to me. btw i only see him pop out at feeding time but hes to fast to get a picture of. hes blue and white or something like that. but hes only 3-5 inches. im gonna try to fish him out im gonna give him away. btw i got a flying fox shark!!!! hes a nice one I couldnt resist. well good bye for now
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Old September 17th, 2009  
Fish Master
 
If you have 0 for NitrAtes then your tank isn't cycled.
See this link for more info
http://www.fishlore.com/NitrogenCycle.htm

Goldfish do not belong in bowls. NO fish belong in bowls. Feeder goldfish are comets and can reach 24" that's 2 feet. That is a HUGE fish. They are also big waste producers and in a bowl they WILL die of ammonia poisoning. Barbs don't eat goldfish. You are having allot of fish die and there is a reason for that. Research is a great tool and you should do more of it before purchasing fish. I know that fish are pretty and neat to watch but they are also living creatures and it's it's actually heart breaking for me to read this thread.
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Old September 17th, 2009  
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Quote:
Originally Posted by paul the shark lover View Post
well the thing is when some of my fish get bigger im gonna let them eat them. but for now im going to keep em in the 2 galon bowl.

I don't want to come across as rude, but I really think your plan is rather ....uncompassionate.

Usually when people purchase "feeder fish" for the purpose of feeding other fish, they go home and immediately feed them to the fish. They don't let the feeder fish suffer in a too small, uncycled bowl for who-knows-how-long, while waiting for their other fish to "get bigger" in order to eat them.

sorry, but what you have planned is cruel to do to the goldfish. And as CHoffman rightly said, the goldfish are going to die in that bowl long before your other fish will even have the opportunity to eat them.

I can only ask that you please reconsider, and return the goldfish to the store.
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Old September 18th, 2009  
Fish Keeper
 
I agree with all that CHoffman and joy have said. You have to take things slowly and learn to be patient, and research everything before you take action.

Ultimitly it is up to you to do what you want with your fish, we're just trying to help you and your fish.
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Old September 25th, 2009  
Fish Bum
 
well ive gotten the craw fish to eat the feeder fish. it was cool watching him eat them. I also have a newt!!!!! btw ive finally got the fish to come out of the rocks. its a massive ruby shark! ive gotten him sent to the fish store to be checked out hes about 2. its because my friend when he took care of my fish for a week he added it in without telling me then he told me just recently. but im keeping him. hes not that agressive. also my LFS is having a massive sale so i might get a new tank! anyways pce for now
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Old October 1st, 2009  
Fish Bum
 
all the tiger barbs died and same with the flying fox. ive moved the ruby and the red tail to a bigger tank at my friends for the time being. my tank is empty. so ive done a full water change and im going to let the tank cycle for a while then add my fish back other wise the ruby and the red tail shark are fine
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Old October 1st, 2009  
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I'm sorry about your fish.
I've so lost track of what's going on with your tank. I've forgotten how many fish you've lost since we've repeated the same things over and over. I don't know if you've ever tested your water, posted your parameters etc.

I have no idea what you mean by "let the tank cycle for a while". If you mean just let it run with no fish or ammonia source, you're not cycling your tank.

I know I've given you this link before, please read it. Nitrogen Cycle
Here are Four Methods of Fish Less Cycling

If you have any questions about the nitrogen cycle, please start a new thread and the members can help get this tank ready for fish.
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Old October 3rd, 2009  
Fish Bum
 
yeah lucy ive tested the water many times its just that i transfered the fish so my tank can properly cycle before i add them back so it can go through all the stuff it needs to well anyways gtg bye
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Old October 6th, 2009  
Fish Bum
 
my fish tank has finally cycled!!!!!!!! everything is finally under control no more problems btw: nah nah nah nah nah dah nah PIRAHANA ATTACK!!!!! i got one pirahanna! now some of u might be saying: whyd he get a pirahanna its gonna kill eveyrthing. wrong. my red tail and ruby are very very agressive so they will not be in danger. they also swim fast so far there fine no problems. i can also hand feed my 6 inch ruby!!! i put him in my hand and he will take blood worms from me!!! its awesome anyways ttyl

Last edited by Lucy; October 6th, 2009 at 08:14 PM. Reason: edited for language, please read the rules.
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Old October 6th, 2009  
Fish Master
 
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my fish tank has finally cycled!!!!!!!! everything is finally under control no more problems btw: nah nah nah nah nah dah nah PIRAHANA ATTACK!!!!! i got one pirahanna! now some of u might be saying: whyd he get a pirahanna its gonna kill eveyrthing. wrong. my red tail and ruby are very very agressive so they will not be in danger. they also swim fast so far there fine no problems. i can also hand feed my 6 inch ruby!!! i put him in my hand and he will take blood worms from me!!! its awesome anyways ttyl
is all I have to say paul....I really hope all your fish survive...goodluck!
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Old October 6th, 2009  
Moderator
 
I'm done.
You obviously don't want our help. Best of luck with your tank.
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Old October 6th, 2009  
Fish Keeper
 
Paul, if you'd bothered to do any research on Piranhas, you'd know that they grow to be quite large (I've seen one over two feet long), and ultimately, they will eat everything in the tank until they outgrow it.

Last edited by sirdarksol; October 7th, 2009 at 10:42 AM. Reason: editing out rude statement
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Old October 7th, 2009  
Moderator
 
Hello Paul. What in the world is going on here? I've just read this thread from post #1. You've had so many fish and critters and lost them so unnecessarily. You've ignored suggestions and advice to the point that people are giving up on trying to help you. Now you've added a Piranha to your community tank? Not a good idea. Your Red Tail Shark and Ruby's lives are at steak, along with any other fish that you have in that same tank. I recommend rehousing your Piranha to a species only tank (meaning only Piranha in the tank) or returning it.

Paul your tank needs to be cycled, stocked and then leave it alone. Relax and enjoy the fish that you have(other than keeping up with your tank maintenance and water chemistry). You can't keep adding new fish and critters every time you see something that catches your eye. You are risking disease outbreak every time you add new fish without quarantine. Sometimes you just have to say "NO" and stop. Listen and adhere to the advice that you've been given since you started this thread. Until you do this I seriously doubt that you will ever have an established aquarium that you can enjoy.

Sadly,
Ken
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Old October 7th, 2009  
Moderator
 
Paul,
To put this as simply as possible; unless they're actually capable of killing it, no fish can out-aggressive a piranha. So you've either doomed the piranha or you've doomed the other two.

Your profile shows that you have three tanks, all of which are absolute disasters. A 30g tank with two large, aggressive fish and one large, aggressive, piscovorous fish. A 10g tank with a newt and a crayfish (which will eventually decide to eat the newt, and produces far too much waste for a 10g tank), but the worst of all of them is the little betta kit with three bettas in it.

I'm nearly positive I've suggested this before, and I promise that this is the last time I'm going to say it, but it needs to be said:
Take all of your fish and inverts back or give them to friends. Keep the 10g with only the newt in it, or take the newt back and put one of the bettas in it. Stock the 30g with small fish that do well in a 30g. Throw the betta kit away, or use it as a flower vase. No fish belongs in it.
If you don't, and if you keep replacing your dying fish with other inappropriate fish, your fish will keep dying. You will be wasting money, which is bad enough, but you'll also be killing creatures whose only crime was to be put into the aquarium trade.
You have decided to keep these creatures as pets. They had no choice in the matter. It is your responsibility to provide them with the proper circumstances to not only survive, but to thrive.

You're starting in the aquarium hobby early (many of us didn't really start until we were quite a bit older), and have the chance to learn more about the hobby than many of us ever will. But first, you have to start learning. It's okay to make mistakes; we all do; but you have to learn from them and strive not to repeat them. If you let us help, and take our most basic advice, you will begin to learn in leaps and bounds, and by the time you're my age, you could easily be working with the aquariums at the local zoo, or working as a marine biologist at a university, or any number of related jobs.

Last edited by sirdarksol; October 7th, 2009 at 11:24 AM.
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Old October 7th, 2009  
Fish Keeper
 
Oh Paul I would read the advice from Ken and Sir above and follow it.

Would you ever own 2 dogs for the sake of fighting them? I dont think so and it is a cruel and inhumane thing to do, transfere that over to fish and the only difference is that you dont hear fish scream, they cant tell you when they are in pain (they do show it but only if you chose to get to know your fish)

You could have 2 wonderful tanks if you listened to the people here and really get to know your fish!
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Old October 7th, 2009  
Fish Keeper
 
A pirahana? Pirahanas really need to be in a species only tank and they do best when they are with other pirahanas instead of just 1. A pirahana can NOT be in a community tank, even if your other fish are "very very aggressive" I'm starting to wonder if you even read any of the other posts from other members that are trying to give you advice. I think a little bit of research would go a long way for you.

I myself am fairly new to the fishkeeping hobby but one thing I found most important was to ALWAYS research everything before you act. I found it very benificial to think about the advice given by other members on this site and I think you would benifit from it as well.
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Old October 7th, 2009  
Fish Master
 
Paul

We have spent a good time, trying to lead you into the right direction. Clearly you dont want our advise. What you are doing is unhumane, and IMO just plain wrong. As usual, we gave you our advise, you chose not to use it...

I really hope you think about this...

We tried to hep you, you were on your way... and then this.

Goodbye, and goodluck...

Last edited by Tony G.; October 7th, 2009 at 05:31 PM.
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Old October 9th, 2009  
Fish Keeper
 
The sad thing is if these were cats or dogs or other mammals being kept in these conditions he would be banned from keeping animals.
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Old October 9th, 2009  
Fish Bum
 
i didnt get a pirahanna yet and now i dont plan on it. anywho the crawfish is at my friends because i let him keep it and the bettas there gone now there to much for me. so i just have a newt and a red tail and ruby. there fine in the tank. im not getting rid of the ruby or redtail shark. so just stop suggesting it i have a right to choose what fish i want and anyways my friend was going to give me a free 70 galon tank with 6 pirahannas but now he said no way because he just saw this. so i couldve gotten a 70 galon tank but now i cant because he saw this and diggly i have a dog. my dog is treated like royalty we got him a very very very expensive italian leather calor for him. were rich but anyways it doesnt matter just please u guys ruined my chance with a 70 galon tank so im really really really extremely furious right now!!!!!! thanks alot guys im not coming back here anymore thanks for nothing anyways who ever owns this place just close this topic and shut my account down because im furious with this site good bye for ever i only came here for help . i will swear that im never coming back here again so good bye forever

Last edited by Lucy; October 9th, 2009 at 11:07 PM. Reason: edited prohibited words
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Old October 9th, 2009  
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